Do you have to host your own messenger server for Matrix?
Agree. It be nice to have a discord kind of place on SAFE beta asap so we can gradually move everyone over there. It seems wise to use the current major social media places to get the word out, although I can see why those are saying it seems ironic. I think the engineering mind needs to suck this one up for now and allow the marketing minds to lead us on this one.
Thereās another world for people, a better one where we can be private and social, where we can spend money and earn money with one another (without a corp in between), where we can enjoy and benefit from new tech, rather than be controlled or restricted by it - I believe thatās what you guys have been building for all these years and I think many will enjoy discovering where it is, so that they are also able to be part of it. I totally agree that somethings need to be behind the barriers we choose for ourselves, but I wonāt apologise for feeling that itās right to create some bridges in for more people to join.
We could have our own mastadon server on our own domain ā e.g. safenetwork.social or safe.network, etc.
All using the fediverse are connected so we could share through the whole of the fediverse (all mastadon servers).
Further it shouldnāt be a problem for the marketing team to cross-post with twitter. There are a lot of former twitter users who bailed before and after Musk took over and there are a lot of smart people over there. IMO, itād be a shame to leave them out of the loop here.
Couldnāt agree more - as you will already know there are so many components to shifting habits - convenience and experience often only play second fiddle to fear and greed - especially in āthe main streamā ā¦
If you want to change the world, then figuring out how to interact and work with/in the current one is essential - completely not what weāre about but think of transition to music streaming, or even the entrance to the mainstream of OpenAI through GPT, Midjourney through Discord. While we donāt want to be like these folks, they all did something we need to learn to do - they made themselves accessible to people outside āthe knowā.
An open invitation through a door no one walks passed is the same, at least for me, as the ideology of ābuild it and they will comeā, itās idealistic, unrealistic ⦠and perhaps even deathly slow.
Thanks @Bux and great to have your here as well as on Discord which has been interesting.
This topic and my post isnāt about either-or. Everyone who has posted about this has accepted or acknowledged that being on Discord and Twitter is a good thing for the reasons you state.
Haha - may our communities, whoever they are, whatever they build, however they communicate, always be free to be āinterestingā and āinterestedā
Mastodon has 1 million active monthly users (network health here on the left Servers - Mastodon), and itās probably reasonable to imagine itās heavily skewed toward early-adopters and tech-savvy types.
Iām not sure if you meant to imply that weād be doing Mastodon a favour or something like that when you say āgiving them (Mastodon) extra trafficā, but if we were reaching hundreds of thousands of people who are very into new technology with this very new technology⦠We would also be doing ourselves a favour, surely
Anyway, itās not an XOR (either-or-but-not-both) scenario. Thereās no dichotomy. And I presume the team know that, and Iām looking forward to hearing more Monday. From my own perspective, not having any push on places like Mastodon and Matrix eventually would seem a bit mad, but we donāt have to do it all at once either.
I mean⦠out there on the standard web are a whole lot of users that are not aware. Should they be aware? I donāt know but thatās our market.
The people on mastadoon are already on a privacy journey leaving X. I guess they are our market too.
I welcome using X, Facebook, linked in, you name it, to get the message out as thatās where our market is sitting right now, at least the people that stand to benefit the most.
This is not just about users. Itās about developers of apps for the Safe Network. Itās also about walking our talk, being coherent rather than dissonant. How does it look for a project that is so committed to decentralisation, security and privacy to shun the communities and platforms that are most in tune with us?
But none of those are the points I made which were: that thereās a risk with building the launch exclusively on centralised corporate platforms that in one case have questionable viability (not to mention questionable reach). Nobody has addressed the actual point I made
So do I, and everyone else whoās commented.
Letās leave this, Iām just repeating the same point now.
Iād been tempted to respond to your original (actual) point and had noticed it being waylaid - what sort of examples do you mean here? The endless examples of projects / peoples / groups being unceremoniously kicked off platforms, demonetised suddenly without warning, etc, that kind of thing?
Yes those. Also is Twitter going to be there in a couple of months? Probably, but letās not bet the farm on it. Focus in this case is centralisation.
Oh the irony.