Latest Release March 20, 2025

Interesting.

Some of my 2017 mini PCs have dynamically adjusted up over 450 nodes in 8gb ram. This is with standard 5k 2.5" laptop drives for data and an m.2. SSD for apps/logs/swap.

Less that 0.5 load per core, only 2gb of swap is used.

So, I’m surprised you hit the buffers on the above. I’m sure my boxes would feel the pain as.load ramped up, but that is why I have them adjust themselves (I can’t predict the load).

The boxes only have about 2.25TB, so would struggle to fully host more than around 60 or 70 half full nodes. With a bit of CPU load, it would also be a lot fewer than 450. I may also find my bandwidth gets gobbled with so many active.

The problem is, nodes are so easy to run right now, because they do so little. It was always going to be a game of optimising systems for nodes. If you don’t play the game, you get a dwindling share of the rewards, so game theory dictates this result.

Emissions are just too overwhelming vs data upload fees and/or effort to store limited data. It needs rebalancing.

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When I was using the data center in question 128GB with nvme drives, I tried swap for a while to increase numbers but it slows them down noticeably.

I assume standard software with huge swap files and treacle like performance.

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Excessive swap would kill performance for sure.

I didn’t intend for my nodes to use swap at all tbh, but linux shuffles the resources over time to make space.

Given those machines have 8gb ram, 2gb swap isn’t too crazy though. Having 8gb ram and 8gb swap would probably be pretty awful. Certainly, on my boxes, linux never tries to use any more, even if CPU time is available.

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Yes not yours, the increase swap to make up for memory barriers did the rounds on discord for a while.

I guess it is widely abused and causing trouble. I turned swap off completely on all machines I run lately as I would rather they get killed than harm the network.

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my run up to 1.8k nodes on a hetzner.

AMD Ryzen 5 3600
64gb ram
2 x 500 GB SSD

Load average graph

hard drive io tmes and network usage

can see it goes all over the place but i wouldn’t know if I did not have NTracking graphing it all.
node start times were 2 min interval after i noticed the hard drive io times i droped the node count and this is with only 50% ram consumed so i was not using swap.

same machine today running 1.5k nodes pretty much idle

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question is if a machine is completely overloaded on the hard drives can its nodes still manage a quote even if they cant store or serve data ?

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maybe @Shu / @dirvine want to have a look at this and see if it is something like that might be an issue or not :thinking:

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Looks like it fell off a cliff! Thanks for sharing!

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i might even sign up to the dedicated provider tomorrow and get one of there boxes and run a test and see how many nodes i can run and what happens.

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I didn’t advertise them when I was using them because they accept crypto and I did not want them overrun :sweat_smile:

Super convenient.

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That’s what I thought until @neo made the point that that would often prevent casual home users, or people from less-connected geographical areas from participating in the network.

What if the heuristic was kicking misbehaving nodes, but only deprioritizing underperforming nodes?

@neo?

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shark hunting is fun :slight_smile:

pick your location and select IP address with a large weight.

here we can see 7 IP’s at same data centre lets take 66.23.203.234 for example another over 20k nodes machine

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Nothing wrong with whales, our issue is sharks :laughing:

.. but I think that is a insult to sharks :shark:

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sorry whales if its red dot on the map it suspicious

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all I want is a network I can use … I don’t care if it’s whales, sharks or goldfish who run it …

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Wen developer net.

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when shark net i want a bowl of soup already !!!

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Thoon! :grin:

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MANGA

Make Autonomi Network Great Again :laughing:

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Looks like a whale

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