tbh, I don’t think David had much interest in tokens, blockchains or bull runs. I don’t think money really drives him at all. He has always been interested in the network being a success and adhering to the original vision though.
We never really had lambo boys here. Even after ‘launch’ there weren’t many.
While there could be a fork, many of the regulars are heavily invested in MAID/ANT and that drives them to solve this network, rather than create another. Myself included, btw.
I didn’t say David had interest in any of those. I speculated he wanted holders not to miss out on another bullrun, hence he timed and compromised the launch, which of course may be completely wrong.
I probably shouldn’t have posted as a direct reply to you though. Didn’t mean to.
As for the lambo crowd, they were here at one point, though not after launch.
Complexity of this network is enormous. There is 0 chance of successful fork. No chance. But I actually think, network is cool and the problems are not that big. Erc20 will have to stay and be dual to some native solution. From adoption perspective the privacy issues related to erc20 are solvable. There is a nice progress overall and this privacy discussion is mostly nerds complaining about something, that actually be a problem.
I have not seen a single person here trying to break laws here, so all the privacy talk is mostly academic now. The fact that people are willing to pay for drugs and crime with traceable bitcoin on clear net means, that this network is far from being important enough to actually bother any authority.
Streets are full of drug dealers, criminals which police can catch anytime and still do not bother, since the reward for doing that is so low. Until you run huge drug marketplace on autonomi, or upload thousands of copyrighted movies they will not care.
Who will care is tax office receiving reports from central exchanges and other crypto providers about unpaid taxes on crypto transactions.
For the rest, who just want some privacy for their files and who do not trust Google and other cloud providers this privacy talk makes sense. Right now uploading your personal photos on Autonomi is manifold more private than keeping it in cloud or even your phone.
Please let’s not make this a discussion about the need for privacy, David’s motivations (@TheGreatTit) etc.
It is intended to help understand how private the network is and anything that can be done to improve that, so input on that is what I’m hoping for.
Sorry, sure.
There are some privacy-preserving eth L2’s like aztec (https://aztec.network/), which presumeably also have lower fees. Ideally something like that can be used before full native with inbuilt privacy is ready. But even if implemented, the “best possible” privacy comes down to picking a VPN that isn’t compromised by state actors doing chunk-IP mapping, not a good upsell for the network imho.
Im afraid privacy doesn’t exist without strong security being built in from the ground up. Bolting security features onto a grotesquely open third party payment system will never be enough imo. Adding a third party blockchain payment system has increased the amount of work necessary to gain any sort of privacy exponentially, and i don’t see the autonomi team heading in the direction of removing it or protecting its user’s transaction data/metadata.
This network is DOA and will continue to be dead until it scraps the blockchain tech. The people who were constantly bringing attention to this last year were shunned by the community. At least now, there is finally some honest conversation from leaders in the community.
Hope it works out. Still lurking from the sidelines and rooting for the project.
Maidsafe seem to be busy trying to make the rest of the network stable atm. Don’t confuse that with them not caring about privacy or not wanting native token. They are trying to make the network strong first.
Whatever our beliefs on blockchain are, it’s clear the network privacy is currently compromised by it. But, we do have a network we can develop against. That is pretty cool.
Let’s keep the discussion to “how private is Autonomi?” and how we can improve it. I don’t want to go over old ground here but to get a clearer picture of where we are and how to improve it.
What about some kind of data mixing service? Say you take your file, encrypt it locally, and break up the resulting encrypted byte stream into pieces across multiple scratchpads that you own with some kind of mapping prefix/suffix to reassemble to blob (scratchpads so you could reuse them multiple times, could be chunks). Multiple people do this so now you’ve got a big pile of encrypted jumbled up scratch pads. Some how you feed in the encrypted maps for all of these into the mixer along with enough to cover the cost to write your file into chunks, then the mixer reassembles the pile into the various files and writes them to the network. The problem is what is the mixer running on? You would need some kind of smart contract, but the amount of computation you’d need to do to pull this off would probably be very expensive with existing crypto.
That was just a 30 second idea off the cuff, may be completely infeasible, but if Tornado cash could do it pretty effectively with ETH, not sure why we couldn’t have a similar approach for data.
Could be. I was musing about a mixer for sharing addresses because let’s say you upload something safely.
How then do you share the address safely?
That seems like an easier problem but I haven’t solved it 
I don’t have time to solve these issues tbh, but I would like to understand where we are and whether Autonomi have ideas or plans for how to deal with them.
Seems one of the big roadblocks to privacy is the blockchain requirement. Does anyone have the old code for native that was being developed a year ago before they abandoned the idea (temporarily or not)? For example, did any take a fork snapshot back then? I think if that code exists somewhere publicly, we should share it around - one or some of us will eventually get around to making it work again in a functional network fork. I for one would love to get a copy of it.
This is being looked at here: Revisiting the initial Safecoin Design for native Token - #48 by neo