I’m signed up and have some Safecoin (bought or farmed). I use an app which:
escrows some Safecoin and emails to one or more of my recommendations, inviting them to try SAFE in return for some Safecoin
anyone who signs up gets their share of Safecoin and when they claim it, is asked if they want to pay it forward, and if not, is told “no worries, if you want to invite anyone by sending Safecoin, just run the Payitforward Invite App”
after invites expire, unused escrowed coins return to the donor
I don’t like this as it doesn’t feel smooth. People won’t want to pay it forward right away (until they know whether they want to recommend it), but maybe something along these lines anyway.
The should definitely be an “invite a friend” option within apps such as “Life Stuff” (@Viv), so maybe we could just include an option at that point to send some Safecoin as part of the invite, as in:
Dude,
Happybeing has invited you to try Life Stuff on ProjectSAFE and has kindly donated X Safecoin for you to keep when you sign up. This let’s you purchase extras on the network over and above the free features, and if you need more Safecoin you can earn it by sharing done spare disk space with the network.
@Warren : you may say that Facebook, AOL and the likes were not honest but in my opinion, you have to make a distinction about the way they spread their message and the product backing it. Dishonest marketing happen when people lie about their service or product, bait and switch, etc.
The way Facebook grew was through invitation by email. Is emailing dishonest?
@happybeing : I like the idea of pay it forward and may be interesting as an experiment but a new user who don’t know anything about maidsafe probably doesn’t care about safecoin.
How about an app called: Tutorial or SafeMaster
I can create a series of videos to explain to the new user how to really grasp the idea of maidsafe, app suggestions, safecoin(cryptocurrencies), how to farm, etc
In there, we can have a step where people can invite. I can make a strong case why it is important to do so.
This way we can use education as a marketing tool and maybe even link it to “pay it forward” app.
Facebook is malware, abuse is what grew it, a bit like a virus.
No Facebook strikes me as one of the most dishonest firms in American history. It strikes me as strange that Zukerberg is a free man. There was apparently some neat tech Erlang type stuff- I forget what I knew of the details. But going through people’s address book and doing false unauthorized testimonial invitations and product representations base on some bs boilerplate contract- that strikes me as psychopathic and criminal in the extreme. Then despite legal challenge after legal challenge and orders against them doing successive roll backs of the privacy policy in ways that defeated end user intentions and exposed the, reversing opt out etc. This is also the kind of company that would try to say it owns people’s data. And its business model was akin to tricking people to into putting their family photos out on their garage doors for serial killers browse through. Nope, Face Book is the greatest piece of bullshit or close to it that American commerce has produced. Its up their with other greats like Monsanto. I think that GTA 5 got it right with the Live Invader part of the game. The way Facebook grew was the definition of spam and malware.
I think working for AOL, Facebook, Amway, Sprint, Worldcom, Comcast… its death on your resume, reputable companies don’t hire that kind of damage. I’d advice MadeSAFE to stay the hell away but that’s a given.
The concern here is that someone will cheapen the movement or even merely the brand for gain. And yet it would probably hard to pull the wool over the eyes of the folks at MaidSAFE. If you think Facebook is commendable or not exemplary of a huge part of the problem you might have the wrong crowd.
A little quick to be directive, seems a lot of assumptions are being made on your part. Better if you don’t assume these people are chumps including early adopters, founders, people interested in the system. Probably better not to assume that even in majority they presently approve of or want to perpetuate the current system.
Per your request. I’d like to see the MaidSAFE logo splashed across the side of a working maglev bus. Not sure precisely why but that use bugs a lot less than on a billboard- which I don’t agree with. Maybe because you’re eyes fall on a something already and if someone wants to pay to beautify it and drive the mindshare of share of something truly worthwhile, it seems ok. On the other hand it probably amounts to bribing a municipality with dirty business- but while that form of corruption still avail, it would be a lesser evil to make use of it.
@Warren I hate to be a damper on such passion but in the absence of a /ignorewithintopic function I’d have to concur with @renaudgagne here. Your prosylatizing against marketing is not being helpful. We want to get the word out about maidsafe. That calls for marketing and sales. Clearly you don’t understand how ideas are spread and think it’s simply done through osmosis. Have you heard of the phrase “Be the change you want to see in the world.” If you believe so strongly in searches and in no advertising then show us how it’s done. Build a competing business based purely on “honest search” and that’s so awesome it doesn’t need marketing or sales. Show us how obsolete our ideas are. Compete with us and show us how much better your idea is. Lead by example. Put up or shut up. Just because you don’t like marketing and don’t want to use it does not give you the right to say other people can’t opt to use it.
I dont view honest search as a maybe, I see it as inevitable. I think the idea came from Nic Carr editor of the Harvard Business review. Its almost self obvious that Google is strategically and tactically weak because of this conflict of interest at the core of its business.
At the same time ProjectSAFE risks becoming instant bullshit if it becomes marketecture. Worse it could taint the forks. David Irvine already had business sucess. This isnt about another product. Its about a new internet. Its also more important crypto currency or SAFEcoin. If it works it will spread for the same reason Linux has. The fastest way to screw it up is by having it start to be a marketing led effort. So often the marketing mindset and skillset is short term profit oriented. But profit as a mechanism is currently broken. ProjectSAFE can help but if profit becomes a disttaction the odds get longer as the trust will decrease.
Why not create a unique content treasure chest? It seems to me that we’re focusing too much on just safecoin, or currency in general. So why not create a vault of unique content. Anyone who wants to participate in the program needs to submit something original and when you share maidsafe you get a random article. It could be a piece of art, a story, a photo, a program someone wrote, a scientific discovery or paper, anything original. This has the double feature of helping creators get their content out to the masses, it’s not the most efficient means, but random grabs from the sharing maidsafe pot would be an interesting way to distribute content. Yes you might get something you consider useless but then you might get something you would never ever find before. Not saying everyone would opt for this system but it might be a nice alternative to safecoin forwarding and such.
Another way might be a safecoin raffle. Get a bunch of sponsors together to donate a load of safecoin then get people to join the safe network and join the raffle. The people joining agree to pay the sponsors a percentage of their farming over x amount of time. The more people you get to join the more money you make on the rebound. Longer periods at higher rates mean less people would want to join. lower periods at shorter rates mean more people but less return. So you need to balance between number of people and rate of return. And of course if the number of people exceeds the estimated rate of return you make profit on the raffle. Best thing is said raffle isn’t just limited to people joining the safe network.
And yet Google is a verb even tho I agree that their invasion of privacy and data mining sucks. Doesn’t the fact you have to market “honest searches” disprove your point about the lack of need for promotion and sponsorship since you in effect are doing what you claim should not be needed? If “honest searches” are inevitable and if such things should just speak for themselves and by their own works as you claim then why do you feel the need to push the idea of them so strongly? Aren’t you in fact doing what you claim others should not?
If Multi-level (or some other affiliate plan with less or more leverage) is mathematically brilliant, and by going this route could compliment other ways/media of getting the word out (and connections to the network), while turning new users into distributors (opt in/out) …i think it’s a solid choice. LifeStuff,on a USB drive/maidsafe, with a great affiliate program, and a strong mission to help those with the crappy resourced computers (the other 6 billion)…i would love that USB!
Why not just do all of these ideas? Why are we fighting over which one is best? Why not do them all? Different things might appeal to different people. Or you could use two different ideas in conjunction.
Except that I am not bribing them for it. You know I think IBM when they considered how to take on Google anticipated your response. They understood that the key to great and efficient search was not necessarily a big data base on the back end but more efficient front end culling. From this Watson was born. The answer to your question is accuracy we expect from AI includes good honest search. AI that yielded inaccurate responses because its programming had been paid off or tainted with noise and broken code would not be considered very smart or useful. It would filter sponsorship and hence undermine its effect and profit model. As AI gets smarter the sponsorship drops out because its A bullshit and B noise or distraction- a true lack of clarity. I think any AI we would tend to call aware would reject our demands as an intrusion on its attention and reject sponsorship as noise or a similar distraction. Mass aggregate sponsorship is after all about censorship or using the leverage of concentrated money to protect money and power- very extractive.
@renaudgagne With regard to the bull. On the contrary. You don’t seem to have any ideas and you don’t seem to be serious. What you have is an angle. You seem to want turn ProjectSAFE into AOL and apparently don’t see the problems with that. Its the same basic sell-out for cash argument. Although you acknowledge some toke objections. You might enjoy this youtube video that comes up in other threads on this site.
Warren I know you’re passionate and all but you’re straying into troll territory here. Still let’s see if we can’t break this down shall we?
I’ve seen several ideas so far and he seems quite serious therefore I’d ask you to define “ideas” and “serious about what?”
Yes to promote maidsafe and get people using it. Do you have a problem with that?
There has been zero evidence of this. AOL is a corporation and a centralized power. Please point to evidence that @renaudgagne has in any way promoted a scheme to make personal profit from promoting maidsafe that any other user could not also do equally well if not better? Yes there have been ideas posed about promoting in exchange for safecoin but all of those are decentralized. So your comparisan to AOL or any other corporation doesn’t really work. Moreover even such a promotion plan wouldn’t affect the entire network but rather just the segment of those promoting the network that joined that particular promotion plan.
The same basic sell out for cash argument? Please. Promoting maidsafe, or anything else, does not require anyone get any cash at all. However people like making money and if your goal is to promote things and encourage people to share your thing then figuring out a way for them to make a bit of money while doing so makes sense. This thread was created to promote maidsafe not in order to generate revenue. So in the sense one is selling maidsafe to garner interest yes it’s a sell out but it’s not a sale for cash but for attention and interest.
Warren so far you’ve made less and less sense and seem to be missing the point of this thread entirely. You’ve devolved into ad homenum attacks and posting obnoxious comedy routine videos.
@Warren You seem to struggle with the concept that not all promotion is motivated by the desire to make personal profit but rather sometimes it’s to spread an idea or cause that one believes in. Your campaign against promotion could be interpreted as censorship and repressing one’s freedom of expression.
@warren The OP has asked you to stay constructive or leave the thread alone. He’s now asked you a second time because you don’t like the options being discussed and are not engaging with the discussion in ways that help him develop ideas which he feels are helpful to SAFE.
Its ok for you to have opinions about the suitability of methods being discussed, but as the OP doesn’t want those to interfere with his purpose for this thread, and you can raise those in a separate topic, please don’t continue to raise your objections here.
I really like all of your ideas guys. I am taking notes…a lot of them.
I like the idea that a person can only earn what the new user decide to pledge. A good game would be to let the new promoter know that they cannot earn more than what they themselves have pledged. (Creating an upward pull)
I think an app will be the best way to experiment multiple possibilities and let the free market decide which formula works best.
Now it is time to start working on a presentation and to look for developpers.
