im still failing to see how anything is @bridge’s fault
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Okay - i think the price today is somewhat not justified
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Ha! That wasn’t meant as a response to @Southside
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I do to so I’m failing to see how I’m getting involved in this 
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Phew!!!
Im trying to work out just WTF we were going there 
Oh - the lady is frozen 
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If everyone moved their data from google/apple/amazon/microsoft/backblaze etc to autonomic, google/apple/amazon/microsoft/backblaze etc would have the equivalent resources to start up nodes and fill up those same resources again. I don’t see how home PCs are going to compete with resources already being used to store all the worlds data right now in datacentres.
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Nope.
Places like amazon/microsoft are highly structured (they have to be) and standardized. They don’t do ryzen cpu’s or sata drives. They can’t afford to.
I’ve done some contracting work in an Azure datacenter a while back. At that time they standardized on recent dell blade servers that are custom built for microsoft, and backed by enterprise grade storage.
The price of a vm in azure is not just the price of the server, it’s also the redundant power, the raised floor, the physical security, the 24/7 breakfix engineers, the massive UPS, the never ending hardware refresh etc.
Microsoft/google/amazon can never compete with a random yolo dude with a rack of refurbished servers in his shack.
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Nah, you are just being willfully ignorant. I will explain it all to you in the pub.
Meantime,Im still waiting on an example of anything @Bridge has ever done to be described as an OG.
Hell you could argue in that case that @Cantankerous is an OG. He has been here every bit as long
And he doesn’t try to take us for idiots.
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The really big people with enough VPSes to support 1 million nodes are likely taking the attitude of set and forget, logistically it becomes an effort to do upgrades. So why do it if they do not need to? Also they will lose some emissions while it is upgrading
yep, and here we are focusing on the million of more node operators really.
I doubt they are thinking that far ahead. Most likely a number of crypto leeches who flitter from project to project doing mining right from the start while the profits are high. @Dimitar suggested early on this would happen.
Its also why the suggestion by some in the team to reduce emissions to those that have not upgraded is a good one. And this immediate upgrade is an example of old version nodes are making the network unhealthy
@Southside It is what it is and fighting with members here is also not healthy. Its highly unlikely anyone here is providing a negative effect on the network. The leeches will not say anything and quite likely only on discord to see the updates, not even reading the chat. 
to the whales.
Yep, and adding version to the quoting metrics (not node metrics) means that the node can be given a reduced emissions amount accordingly. Also those whales in it for emissions will not bother modding the code to fake version and restarting since its easier to do antup node and restart the nods normally (or antctl update). Its the restart they do not want to do and why they stay on the version they started with while it earns enough to profit.
The extra 3GB is just room for logs.
Actually it will not surprise me if the 32GB suggestion & restriction in launchpad is reduced since its unlikely to be needed at 32GB as the average for a long time yet. Just make it a dynamic figure. Any node without enough space will get shunned and the person will have to start up again with either more space available or run less nodes.
Its one reason I wrote the upload-exercise script to give an easy way for people who have ANT/ARB-ETH they want to use for this to get data onto the network. It ran into the issue of uploads not working well and gas could drain the ETH suddenly that it hasn’t been promoted. Its about time to update the script to include the max GWEI option so people can run it without fear of draining the account with a couple of uploads at the wrong time. For about 20$ they could upload a few hundred random files and get them added to the download-exercise script to get the nodes using bandwidth. This would mean that even the whales have to have enough storage for even a few records per node and enough bandwidth for all their nodes.
@Southside I understand the frustration about some with a lot of nodes in the forum, but attacking them is against the forum guidelines, and there is a need now for you to talk in a more general sense about whales. Also I find it doubtful those whales making uploads unhealthy by not upgrading would also be active posting.
I would hope all here active have been upgrading their nodes, as it will be counter productive in the long term to not upgrade. Also the code has in it to prevent nodes joining the network if their version is too old to be compatible, so eventually their nodes will drop off anyhow.
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Yes, they can. But I don’t see how anyone who is too lazy/ignorant/unskilled to update is going to modify the code and compile their own version each time an update is available.
They still have to ‘update’ the node to their own version, just to make it present version X while it’s actually version X-1.
That would be like running launchpad on a complex thin provisioned filesystem just to get around the 35g disk requirement. Would make no sense at all.
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This is true if we are talking about competition at the node level. But the competition will most likely be at the network level.
It is more likely that the big players will release their own versions of the technology with modified rules.
For example, the security of Autonomi with the ability to delete unauthorized data. Some would say that people would not upload to such a network, but I say that most people do not upload unauthorized data and would never face a problem with it.
So my view is that once the network is proven as a technology we will see countless interconnected copies from both small communities and large players.
The life of the small copies will probably be measured in months or 1-2 years, with the occasional exception, while large copies would last decades.
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Don’t you think that will be like the scrypt coin mania in 2013 where everyone and their mother made a litecoin clone with a fancy webpage that this was the new bitcoin ?
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I think you are not following the crypto world closely, 2013 is nothing compared to what is happening in Solana right now. Everyone launches their own coin.
Pump.fun is a platform for token fair-launches with no presale and no team allocation
But unlike the memes, the Autonomi clones will have real utility. How hard is it to find 100k nodes and tell a story of how your network started really honestly, not with 80% premine/presale for a select group of people or how there is a fixed upload price to avoid volatility…
Even the OGs in this thread are joking about how they’re going to run a copy of Autonomi to get rid of the bad whale… All you have to do for @Southside is put a hammer and sickle logo and he’ll immediately get his nods there. 
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I might nod approvingly but I wouldn’t put any nodes there
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Err its Scotcoin v4 now… Well if you want to trade it… Its a long and dubious story
They had to change it yet again …
Very glad I am no longer associated with that coin.
Uploads are kinda working and I finally managed to publish on @happybeing 's DWEB
Here is a motosickle but no hammer published at
Publish new cost: 0.000047252045208000 Gas
Publish new cost: 0.000000201324191388 ANT
CONTENT PUBLISHED (version 0).
All versions available at HISTORY-ADDRESS:
b4d001a4b826cf9cfca6101f35da73d21c2464ab8abf4d054ea99ecd9a57858f9c74854ae1acf856d244aba5d4a0ed96
DWEBNAME:
Kwak
If you do play with this give it a good 3-4 mins to load though - despite what it says there is nothing quick about it yet.
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When testnet will come? Any date or its already in test mode if yes then when public realise
This information hasn’t been published yet, and will be discussed for the first time publicly in the discord event on March 12th (9pm UK time):
Hopefully more details will follow soon after that. Seems like a great development that should make it easier for builders to get going without worrying about ETH fees.
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