AUTONOMI Token - Price & Trading topic

[DavidMc0]

@anon75844067

I think that even the best marketing expert in the world would do exactly what the team is doing right now, nothing for the outside world to see. People here have wanted marketing to start for years, and if I take a brief look at where we are today, the team was right to hold off

I agree in terms of external marketing / promotion, but to me the issue is that the product / user experience aspect seems to have been under-resouced.

For example, this ‘new Internet’ has been mostly working for nearly a year, yet there’s no easy way to use it, or even see concepts and demo user experiences for real-world applications that have obvious markets and big user bases to ground what the network is all about.

A browser + publishing tool was made back in the Safe Network ‘Alpha’ days, so that as soon as the tech was ready, there was a user experience ready. Now the tech is miles ahead, and user experience behind the state back then. I know Anttp and Dweb can offer these things for people who like CLIs, but I’m talking about easy-to-use for non-tech people user experiences.

It seems odd that now there’s Merkle payments so that it’s possible to upload big amounts of data with low cost, yet there’s no data / photo / video backup & sharing app to take advantage of it. I’d like to backup loads of photos, but won’t yet due to the poor UX.

The hard part is moving forward, and the relatively easy part that makes the network useful / relatable / understandable in terms of value proposition is underdeveloped, despite being where the ‘rubber meets the road’.

I would love to see inspiring use-cases and user experiences being shown, developed, and prepared alongside the tech work for when the underlying network is ready to support them.

While this seems like a missed opportunity to build interest & excitement in what the network will do, at least it’s something that can come together pretty quickly once the gear-shift takes place.

Saying all that, I can understand the view that until the underlying tech is 100% ready, almost 100% of resources should go on making that happen, because without that, it goes nowhere… so, maybe there’s something to that & the balance is exactly right, even if my intuition is that a different balance that also prioritised UX / markets / tokenomics would have led to more resources being available through token price improvements.

Let’s see how things progress in 2026… the network is looking promising with the team making great strides. Maybe this will be the year when the network gets properly up and running

[Traktion]

Imo, this last few days of this thread illustrate the communication gap. If the gap wasn’t there, I doubt the passion would be running so high.

Also, this is the token price thread. It often has emotion and trolling.

A perspective from an engineer on stuff is interesting, but not sure it fit?

I think some folks get excited over lots of new crazy tech. Others see it as a sign of the existing tech failing. When far out R&D stuff starts to sound central to the required solution, some other people get nervous.

Maybe the team don’t want to do more comms. Maybe the community should trust the team more. Somewhere in the middle there may be a balance, but we don’t seem to have found it yet.

[safemedia]

I think it might might be useful to gather a list of agreed upon truths. Where let’s say a majority of the community agrees upon each of them.

Then ask the team what is being worked on for each of these truths.

The issue is we don’t have decentralized governance, so we can’t. Instead it ends up with the same singular people saying well I don’t agree with you. And that leads us in circles again and nothing gets accomplished. We have the power of decentralized governance, and Bux mentioned this over a year ago, but nothing ever came of it.

Some examples of my truths (some of you will disagree)

- Regulations will prevent the team from many original goals.

- Decentralized governance is needed to partially shield the team from regulations. The community might vote on a proposal to implement something that the team won’t do. And that is fine. Other teams might emerge to complete this work and request payment from the community fund.

- Agentic payments with stablecoins can and will be censored, so both agentic & normal token would be useful.

- Incentives for node runners are too high at this stage and dilute token holders. Why incentivize so much storage when only a tiny fraction is used right now?

- Token holders should be able to vote on what % incentives are to find an equilibrium between incentivizing new storage and token price.

- Staying on Arbitrum means we are limiting our marketing and token liquidity / investment interest. On other large chains like Solana (which hasn’t went down in over 2 years vs our own Autonomi) we could market to 10s of thousands of people on their channels saying we are the storage solution for Solana.

- Marketing with little funds from outside a well known community is like howling into the void. Paying for a few YouTube videos & Ads will do pretty much nothing. Making promoted social media posts will do pretty much nothing. True marketing comes from utilizing existing communities, and showcasing existing applications to these communities.

- Way more focus should be put into application tutorials for the network. Pay a community dev or two to create these tutorials and to build example applications for others to follow. You need to water the community for it to grow.

- Create a way for the will of the community to have sway. Decentralized governance would enable a way for proposals from the community to reach the team in a semi-official manner which would create an avenue for disgruntled community members to voice their concerns instead of having them become frustrated and leave the project.

- Autonomi has amazing potential that is being hampered by not utilizing the power of the decentralized community via DAOs & other tools that let’s the team see what the invested users of the network actually want them to focus on. Right now we have seen the token price decline year over year while the team continues on the same path of just focusing on development without listening to the community.

I’ve seen the same thing happen time after time, where a community member has foreseen these issues before they happened or were even implemented (Arbitrum issue, Incentives issue) all because the team just does what it wants from a centralized decision making perspective and seems to disregard everything that comes from the community as though it has to be wrong because they didn’t think of it themselves. Which is a pretty normal human condition.

Again I don’t see any of this changing anything because I think the avenues where community members can affect change are purposefully not in place. But just wanted to put it here in writing so other members of the community can see it anyway.

[DavidMc0]

I agree with a lot of what you have said, but in the end, the team has to do what the team thinks is best.

Maybe the community needs to band together to create a kind of community DAO / governance concept, and then fund actions itself independently of the team.

I’d be happy to do what I can to support efforts that can help mobilise this community to prioritise, organise, and focus its effort to have a bigger positive impact on the Autonomi ecosystem.

I certainly think this community could achieve a lot more if there were more collaboration and focus between different elements of it… how to get that going is the challenge.

[happybeing]

As noted above and many times over the past two years, the core problem is communication. Since that changed and then has become limited and frequently antagonistic and petulant there’s no chance of it improving.

We did hav e a collaborative and value-everyone approach until two years ago, but from then it got steadily worse until we now have a lot of hurt and disrespect.

It has turned bad and will stay bad because of unrealistic expectations and an unwillingness to work on the relationship, principally from David and Bux before that.

If everything started to go well technically and token-wise there would be a chance to recover. But it is clear that the management don’t value the community any more, and that we here need to just accept this instead of revisiting it - as if they are listening or interested. Without reflection, self examination and goodwill from Autonomi’s management all talk of anything relationship dependent is wasted breath.

There are happy to stay with Discord and police it heavily rather than have a community.

[Toivo]

@anon75844067

What happened here in the last 24 hours, folks, is exactly why the team is no longer actively participating in this forum.

Maybe now, but I think it all started with them withdrawing, and that has led to louder complaints.

[anon26713768]

@Toivo

I think it all started with them withdrawing

We should all try to avoid, them, they, team etc.

Guarantee the views and opinions are as diverse as those of the community which can equally not be grouped as us or them.

It doesn’t seem helpful.

(Not you in particular @Toivo, it’s somewhat of a trend)

The change is more than likely a management decision not a developer decision.

[anon75844067]

90% increase 9 consecutive plus days. As mentioned earlier, most of us won’t be happy to see $0.04, a year ago we didn’t think it was possible to even go this low. But looking at the current action it’s pretty clear the market maker has flipped the switch and is now pushing into an uptrend. How long does it take before optimism and fomo will be back in these channels?

2.8 million ant left in the uniswap liquidity pool and MEXC address combined. That’s slashed in half in less than 2 months.

[Toivo]

I’ve personally sort of come in terms with the divide between the team and the community. I don’t try to affect the teams decisions. It has proven futile, and to be honest, I’m not so sure what would be the best path forward.

I try to limit my criticism as an analysis only, not trying to suggest anything, let alone patronize. I just speak my mind.

About the communications: the thing that most annoys me is the building of expectations in myriad of ways. And the following silence when the expectations are not met. But, I’m not trying to change this.

And even if I think all the new development is too much zig zaggin here and there, I’m happy to participate testing Saorsa, for example. That’s another way or accepting the division. I’m participating into construction in a constructive way, when invited.

[Shu]

It’s the holidays, and since this is the ant token price trading thread, I decided to make a quick app today to monitor the big whale addresses or a single address or both, and if a new transaction appears, it sends a notification via OS X notification system along with some logging, just for fun. It can be used for multiple purposes including even watching your own wallet addresses. The standalone app simply just runs in background as is once started.

Please don’t ask for the code or support on how to build it (I don’t have the time on either front), but I did wanted to share the idea / screenshots. There are many developers in this community who can build an app such as this, and even with much better features. I am sure other apps like this exist out there, but I didn’t really search for anything specifically on the internet. This was v0.1 as is.

Its my first time working with blockchain data programmatically for a personal project. I figure it will save me the headache from having to go to an actual website as and when I want to look up an address.

Note: The single address above might be the recent whale address others are talking about, though I don’t recall now, it was a random address from the top 50 holders.

[jane]

register with a crypto exchange> purchase crypto > set up metamsk > swap crypto on uniswap > bridge new crypto with arbitrum network > link wallet > use the CLI

Incredibly the CLI is the least worse part for new users, also creating a decent GUI replacement is easy.

What will never happen is the creation of a simple UI for the crypto onboarding. People working in the crypto space who’s job it is to make crypto easier to use for the masses still struggle to achieve any blockchain/tokenisation app thats easy to use. That’s why there’s so much custodial crypto. Purchasing Autonomi tokens on arbitrum is harder than purchasing Bitcoin or any other non ERC20 crypto. My concern will forever remain with the ability of normal people to access the network even if the network itself is running perfectly.

[Dimitar]

@jane

register with a crypto exchange> purchase crypto > set up metamsk > swap crypto on uniswap > bridge new crypto with arbitrum network > link wallet > use the CLI

You’re unnecessarily increasing the steps, it’s actually much easier:

Buy ETH on Coinbase & Swap for Autonomi Token on Uniswap (Step by Step)

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[Shu]

I did a few more enhancements here on my local laptop. I think I will stop on it for now, New Years is approaching, and more rest is good in mean time , and then priorities will shift back. I wanted to know in general if the whale addresses have recently been accumulating or sell off, as well as get an idea of the “circulating supply” of the top 50 holders minus the pre-existing labeled addresses such as:

• Foundation Treasury (50 Yr)
• Emissions Wallet
• Maidsafe Coins (not converted)
• Foundation Hot Wallet
• Shareholder Allocation

Note: Circulating supply is a hot topic so I will avoid discussing or getting into it. This is just my version off it in this prototype. All the data for the labels for different addresses were found from this forum or on coingecko’s website. It be nice to be able to chart the historical trends off certain balances, but that’s well beyond the scope off the current version off the application.

Disclaimer: Screenshots may not be accurate (as is). . .

Sorted by Last TX descending:

Sorted by Wallet Balance ANT descending:

Overall, I think from the looks off it not many whales have sold recently except 1 or 2, and same goes for the accumulation. Plenty off Maidsafe coins that haven’t been converted. Seems maybe a lot of shareholder also have not converted too (214M originally now down to 203M).

My conclusions from the above could be totally wrong, but thought I just post this anyways.

TLDR; Lot of coins floating and not floating out there, la la la, .

[Freedom]

Hi guys

Im sure I’ve been fleeced, but just thought I’d check to see if I am mssing something (always probable). When I log into metamask my coins are nowhere to be seen. Looks like they’ve been taken. Any advice on what I could do, if anything?

Thanks guys

[Southside]

DM @rusty.spork on Discord. He’s the MetaMask guy.

[tobbetj]

Have you chosen the correct network? Arbitrum for Autonomi ANT’S.

[tobbetj]

This app looks very cool, can it be downloaded somewhere? I need to start to cool the champagne but would be cool to try it out next year.

[tobbetj]

Could those numbers be indication that circulating supply is below or around 800 million or did I understand the numbers wrong?

Also, way back there were talks about setting up a circulating supply API that coin tracker sites could use. It would be nice if that would happen in future.

[Shu]

The circulating supply formula in the app is according to my version of the formula (# of addresses monitored (happens to be the top ~50 account holders) minus pre-existing labels). Sorry, tobbetj, but I am not releasing this app (neither binaries or code), as stated earlier in my original post. It was a 1 day proof off concept (started it today, and stopped working on it as off a hour ago).

Honestly, I don’t have any time to focus on it further in the weeks to come, and it takes time to properly do any publishing off code or binaries as well among other reasons, which I won’t get into now.

I have enough on my plate as is. In the distance future, I will on and off iterate on it as and when customizing to my requirements local to my laptop environment, though not for a general audience or consumer group.

Regarding the circulating supply API, I don’t know much about all off that. Blockchain development isn’t my primary focus, but I found this hobby project for today entertaining, and it helped answer some of the questions I was pondering for the past few weeks regarding the top 50 holders (the screenshots and observations were shared with the community).

Hope you enjoy your champagne! .

[tobbetj]

No worries, it just looked cool and useful so I had to ask.

But just so you know, you don’t have to package and such, if you just want and feel you can share some in the future then raw code works fine.

Thanks, some good food and champagne is the best way to end a year and start a new one, followed by pizza the day after.