ANT Token - Price & Trading topic

and can’t be that offer (from what I see) because 60k nodes should have a constant traffic of ~2.5GBit … which is > 1Gbit what that machine has

and adds up to 800TB Data Volume per month which is significantly above the 100TB limit too

…memory-footprint of an antnode I just had a look at was 53MB => 3.2 TB of RAM would be needed here

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Assuming they’re not running a custom implementation of the wire protocol that does nothing but pretend to be running nodes.

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Now if 1/2 that random rewards was used to upload useful data then that poor server would not do so well. The network may contract a little but it would be in a much healthier place. Also the exploiters cannot exploit as much.

But maybe that was what the upcoming plans will reveal, a change in direction for the interim rewards (random rewards ATM)

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maybe we’ll hear tomorrow morning what the plans forward are :slight_smile:

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I like the proof of space concept @mav brought up. Regardless, proof-of-x mechanisms will need to be employed or every EQ server emulator programmer will be emulating nodes in under a year.

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I hope they have that backed by 2 petabytes of storage :rofl:

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@Dimitar said it was decommissioned when I first posted there.

@dirvine what do you think of encouraging the devs to hit the dev forum in lieu of this forum, with the expectation that they’ll find purely constructive technical dialog? Bug reports, fix testing, discoveries, data type and related chat from app devs, etc.

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I just registered on the Dev Forum. Thanks for the reminder.

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I think the dev forum may help, I am not sure as there are GitHub issues/chats/projects and many more such places. Perhaps if the dev forum fills up with folk in a purely technical way it will help. However, look at any OSS maintainer and the folk that post. These forums will attract those who want to shout scream and accuse etc. It’s just the way things work I am afraid.

Here is already a relatively tech savvy bunch of folk, but that does not exclude some really harsh language, I am not sure anyone has an idea how to make humans just behave :smiley: :smiley: This forum is actually about the best I have seen and maybe the best we can achieve. Who knows?

I think it’s just life and how life works, people can tend towards harsh shouty behaviour and it’s then difficult for Engineers to stop what they are doing, read a few posts and get back to where they were. It’s all like the xkcd comics about devs trying to get back to thinking and how long it takes. It’s worse with bad feelings around, but again, that’s life.

I suppose it comes down to the individual and how much they

  • want feedback
  • care about feedback
  • can mentally cope with the stress
    etc. Personally I am super keen to know feedback but I am also keenly aware when trying hard and pushing hard that it can be tough. Now for instance, we are launching, it’s mayhem inside the team with loads of meetings, ideas, bugs, fixes and suggestions and the community are rightly at the most likely to offer suggestions, fixes and suchlike as well, they also think they are being ignored. So it becomes a cauldron of pure noise and it’s loudest when the devs need it quietest :smiley: :smiley:

Again, that’s life, that’s what all the people say :smiley:

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What do you mean by this?

If let’s say you made an investment of 10k euros to support the network and suddenly it turns out that in Autonomi you can’t get your investment back, because a big player has decided to fight for the subsidy, and in Autonomy 2 there is no such player, the reasonable solution is to move your machines to where you will earn more money.


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Can you tell from the logs that they aren’t behind a NAT?

It’s an interesting thought.

AWS was launched to sell spare server resources outside of peak shopping periods. The rest is history…

Does Autonomi using spare resources open up another chapter here? Never mind home computers, etc, how much idle data centre capacity can be turned to ant node duties to maximise revenue? Even at a loss, it is better than a bigger loss of an idle machine.

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I think that at the moment it is more likely that we have a customer who has rented a resource than that the data center itself has directed it to launch nodes.

And yes, if the network is successful, it is very likely that we will see entire data centers directing their spare resource to the network.

The question is to which network. Won’t we see every big player with their copy trying to lure users to them? As exchanges are currently launching their own “copies” of Ethereum - I mean Binance Chain and Coinbase’s Base…


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How about being a filecoin provider by using Autonomi network to store the data?

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Hmmm, lets assume multiple such large players come to the game and compete.

Small fry like us need to work harder and smarter to stay in the game yes, but the backbone of Autonomi One will be so overwhelmingly superior, where will the data go?

One or Two?

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I hope the filecoin service consumers find us before the providers.
Either way it looks like we might absorb that market.

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Nowhere, my hypothesis is that we are a decade or two before there is any public pressure to use such networks. First they will have to establish in the minds of the mass of people. Until then, they will just be playing fields for speculators and individual small groups of fans…


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The network effect will be key here. Users won’t want to configure lots of different apps for different networks. Without users, there is no flow of tokens being spent, so no point node running.

Maybe there could be a proxy of sorts that directed different apps to different networks, but there would surely need to be a benefit.

Perhaps the question is, why not just run nodes on the existing network, where all the users are already at?

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