About the new "guidelines"

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Hi @Al_Kafir, seeing you are here I am trying to find where any mod did this

@Al_Kafir

highlighting text “not to be argued with” is clearly not any kind of solution to the fundamental issue.

I cannot find that in the new guidelines and cannot see where a mod said this was the case for the forum. Because I want to fix this right up, seeing as meta is here to discuss moderation decisions. (PMs are available too)

Can you point me to where this was said, please.

Thanks.

I am a little saddened to see you saying we have not considered other options and tarred the mods as some sort of separate group to the community. I honestly thought we were a part of the community and "not the community serve the private interests of the select few.[mods] I am sure if you read a few recent posts/topics in meta you can see a few discussions about how we can do things better/be more transparent considering the limitations of the forum software and the requirements to keep private-messages private.

I am still wondering if you can help by suggesting a realistic proposal we can present to the community that would help in this area. Criticisms of the moderation limitations of the forum and the mods isn’t great for a proposal, but rather a positive way forward that can be implemented, prior to SAFE forums.

Honestly I thought the forum was more like @dirvine 's view, and while the moderation system & limitations of discorse is not perfect, I thought it was reasonable. Which doesn’t mean I am not on the outlook for reasonable and feasible technically solutions to the shortcomings.

@dirvine

What I feel everyone needs to also keep remembering is that the mods are normal users as well. So a separation of those duties is good, but they are just another one of us lot really. So the mods as a group are not different from users (and many times need to be normal users, we should help them be that) they are users performing much more work and having to tread across broken glass in bare feet many times. They will (I hope) make lots of mistakes and remedy them (seems to happen) and they will make decisions some of us don’t agree with.

I know everyone knows this but I just want to thank these users who do that often thankless task on behalf of the rest of us. I also want to thanks the vocal users as well, they both make it a great place to share ideas and thoughts.

Long may the to and fro continue and with the mutual respect that always appears to surface through the discussions.

When a group becomes “them” the we fail, so lets all realise there is not “them” there is just us but lots of different kinds of us and that’s incredible, so I think we are very lucky and I hope it continues as long as possible.

Cheers mods and all the pushing and pressuring to make sure we are OK people. It’s very cool.