Well I am having a slow day today and also don’t tiktok so… here we are.
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Why are you guys on the old client/server internet if you think it’s broken, evil, harmful to society and needs to be replaced (with your favorite chimera you gatekeep at the cost of being passive aggressive)?
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What point do you think it can grow to and WHY do you think it will grow to that point?
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the point which it can grow to is less important than the point it will grow from.
We are now in the typical phase of a ICO project that has released a product. This usually follows a scheme like this:
Now I wait for the market to capitulate. Then it can offer an attractive investment/speculation point, which could be during the next bear market because from the development speed of this project it is almost impossible to me that this project will capture outside attention during this cycle. Even if we get a DePIN-based narrative alt-market (which it doesn’t look like), almost all the attention will already be captured by the big players and autonomi currently doesn’t have any USP (metrics, narrative, backers, defi-mechanism, tokeonimics) here and still needs massive development to somewhat catch up.
Some folks are just deliberately over negative, for whatever agenda it is. I suspect a stricter forum would have banned a bunch of them already.
We are way past constructive criticism in many of these threads. It’s mostly pure trolling.
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I didn’t ask any of that I asked WHY do you think it will grow in the future, I don’t care how low it goes your the one who said it will grow, WHY will it grow?
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team at some point realises it needs to fix liquidity, fix tokenomics, do marketing. Then optionally either partnerships or added privacy features which initiate a dark-web economy kick in which will give it a boost maybe to storj mcap level
Why wouldn’t people just use the dark web?
Because it can be centralised manipulated?
I really wonder where we’ll be 1y from now - to me it looks like we’re making decisions that should take us to a working network and some first properly working apps… but you never know and I probably would have made the same estimation about a year ago xD
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This is a very strange thread. Perhaps the trolls are sincere, making fun of all the cult members who have a vision of something that takes a lot to do, and maybe or maybe not really can be done. That’s been from the start: even @dirvine has communicated that perhaps we’ll fail. But the underlying proposition is truly unique. This has never been a cryptocurrency project. Currency is an adjunct. If the project ultimately succeeds, the crypto part will take its part in that success. Probably won’t get anyone rich in itself. (perhaps some have profited and some have not, but that’s not the point.)
Along the way, quite a few remarkable innovations have come along (some have passed away) solving the problems connected to a really different architectural vision. It’s a juggle. Market forces and regulation have come into play as the launch continues.
Yeah, we’re mostly “true believers” here. That’s not a defect, it’s an asset. Belief in the underlying vision has generated in persistence. Sneering at those who keep working makes some people . . . "happy”? Fighting to prove them wrong is useless.
Am I disappointed that it hasn’t made its mark on the big stage yet? Maybe a little. Is the underlying theme worth bringing to fruition? Absolutely. As someone I respect a lot is wont to say “The horrors persist, and so do I.”
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That’s utter BS from David. As soon as he created the tokenomic model for Safe and then launched an ICO, Safe (now ANT) became a crypto project. Calling it something other than what it is, is pure propaganda on his part - seeking that separation is him simply trying to invoke some uniqueness of Ant.
As Ant has now adopted and become subordinate to the Ethereum and Arbitrum blockchain, it’s even moreso a crypto project. Let’s not play games here by adopting the marketing propaganda of ‘dear leader’.
While I am still hopeful in the long run because of changes that I know are coming, Ant is no longer Safe, we’ve had a bait and switch with the last minute changes last year. Hopefully they can get back on track with a native token, but it seems unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Meanwhile, I have other plans … soon to be announced.
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I understand and a sympathize with of some of your sentiment, but your response itself rather makes the point that the network really is not about the crypto, it’s about securing and making data decentralized. The “tokenomics” is an adjunct and necessary part of the picture, for sure. Native token will be possible when it’s possible. Establishing a functioning network is first priority. The world environment requires an unanticipated path forward. “Bait and stitch” throws unnecessary shade and dishonor on honorable people.
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I don’t agree with the highly specific notion that ‘crypto’ is simply a decentralized digital currency. By your standard, even Ethereum isn’t ‘crypto’ … which to my mind makes no sense. Ethereum allows smart contracts - and those have been used to launch many tokens. Autonomi may end up being used to launch many tokens in the end as well … both are platforms, both rely on a crypto token to function … so both are crypto projects IMO.
Not really sure how you are looking at it.
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Bitcoin and Etherium and the “crypto” space in general are Currency platforms used to try to do a bunch of other things because of the consensus features. That’s what I mean by crypto, as distinguished from SAFE/Autonomi.
David started out from the principle of securing data in all its forms at a fundamental level, and evolved what we’re looking at as developing in Autonomi. It’s a completely different paradigm. Harder to deploy, on a bunch of levels, especially since the “price of the coin” isn’t the weenie that is being chased; data ownership, security and perpetual persistence are. Any tokens built on top of it will be possible because of the inherent features of the cooperative handling of data that CAN’T be compromised by default.
Blockchain systems provide some limited aspects of that, but not at all in the same way. General data security efforts are built on top of them. Bitcoin is valuable because it is a secure consensus mechanism, and also to a large degree BECAUSE it is inefficient and unwieldy. That’s fabulous. Not dissing it. It’s just fundamentally a different fish.
Autonomi is crypto because its foundation is based in cryptography and it uses tokens in its architecture, but it’s not “Crypto” in the crypto ecosystem sense. It’s a very different project. Different expectations apply.
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Bitcoin certainly is, but Ethereum is not … I don’t understand how you can’t see that the only difference between Ethereum and Autonomi is that one does compute and the other does storage. Ethereum also uses it’s tokens in it’s architecture. Blockchain or no blockchain does not make a crypto currency project - the currency being the center makes it only a crypto-currency project. Any project that utilizes a crypto token is a crypto project - including Autonomi.
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the first already implies that it is in the crypto ecosystem. Listed on coinmarketcap & uniswap → is in the crypto ecosystem, its that simple. It is not its own L1 blockchain, thats a difference to bitcoin and ethereum
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Arguments about the use of Crypto miss the point. I’ve conceded that Autonomi is “crypto” in real senses, but if you don’t see the distinction I’m pointing up, I don’t know what to say.
Storj is about storage. Autonomi is about storage. Yeah, they’re the same thing. You win. But if one doesn’t really see the difference at a fundamental level . . . No more words are productive.
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Well then if it so super obvious please explain to someone who has never heard of autonomi why it can’t be considered a crypto-currency project in contrast to other DePIN like arweave?
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