What’s up today? (Part 1)

I’m not sure what you exactly mean with that bleach / fact check. But here another study that might be of interest:

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No bias in a NYT article. edit … no bias towards Trump in acedamia either!

I don’t support the state, let alone either side … but you really have to do your own hard research if you want to get closer to the truth. When it comes to politics, no media source or supposed academic paper is safe from considerable bias.

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I’ll be steering clear of all this ozone therapy.
Too much ozone is bad for your lungs.

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I’m not saying that study (and certainly not the NYT) isn’t biased. And if it is biased it could still be of interest in 1 way or another. The fact that it is partly funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation will probably make that a lot of people won’t take it very seriously :wink: Which IMHO is also biased.

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https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=ozone+therapy&btnG=&oq=Ozone+the

That is ignorant information. How do you compare exposure of the gas to mucus membranes with medical treatment with ozone licensed MDs?
Apples Oranges

I had full body psoriasis. Rockefeller Medicine offered a 4 times a year chemotherapy shot. This suppresses the immune system making SYMPTOMS go away. Increases risk of all types of illness including cancer do to suppressed immune system. This injection costs $5000 per dose charged to insurance or country paying for the drug. This is a suppression of symptoms and ignores the underlying cause.

I went to an Oxygen Doctor who’s worked with Ozone for 30 years in a treatment setting. I received a 10 pass treatment. They withdrew 300ml of blood into a glass bottle and then added ozone to the bottle at 33 gama or 33 parts per million of O3 to O2. They then flipped a switch and this blood went back in my arm. This was done 10 times.

The itching stopped 30 minutes into the treatment. My full body psoriasis healed over the next three weeks. Within 3 months there was no sign I ever had it. First the first 2 weeks I felt like I was 25 which was amazing. Colors ever even brighter. You’ll have to do a bit of study to see why. It dramatically boosts instantaniously all the mitochondria you have. That effect slowly faded.

Ozone modulates the immune system among many other things. So if you have a weak immune system it boost it with measurable results. It also dramatically lowers inflammation and will bring autoimmune into a normal zone which is why it helped me. I had an over active immune system. Cut Burn Poison MDs are stuck in a small box from training and big Pharma propaganda and can’t conceive of the body being put back in to balance. They suppress immune response rather than look at what that is telling them about their patient. I was healed with an Ozone 10 pass. I’ve had no return of the disease.

My treatment was $1200 once.
Rockefeller Medicine was going to charge me for a lifetime of injections at $20,000 per year to suppress visible symptoms while leaving the disease of an over active immune system untreated. It is criminal that the millions of people suffering with this horrible disease will have a hard time finding this treatment and will mostly be left with a lifetime of cortisones creams or chemo immune suppressants. I’m sure the MDs will have a solution to when they finally fall ill from a chronically suppressed immune system.

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https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=1&q=intravenous+hydrogen+peroxide+therapeutic+use&qst=ib

You have to look at the science.

Indeed, apples and oranges.

Ozone is just creating extra oxygen atoms, In your treatment it sounds like they would join to something in a harmless way.

Inhaling free oxygen atoms , the free atoms will want to attach to something, they will not be fussy and selective, they will attach where they are able, and is not safe.

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Agreed Ozone gas is damaging to mucous membranes. Medical use of ozone specifically avoids exposure.

IV use of Hydrogen peroxide is very old and generally safe. It can irritate the vein around the area of the IV needle but it is not harmful to the body otherwise. Lets be clear this a treatment done by MDs.
Hydrogen Peroxide degrades to H2O and O. It is the Singlet Oxygen that gives Ozone its effect. Ozone degrades from O3 to O2 and O.

You can’t call thousands of medical studies on ozone crap. It just not patentable so you won’t be seeing much of it in a modern medical setting which are based on profits. So understand studies in this area are not fueled by Big Pharma/Petrol.

When you see so many studies with positive results with Ozone how do you call it crap?

Post the studies showing it is ineffective.

John E. Repine, Richard B. Fox and Elaine M. Berger. Hydrogen Peroxide Kills Staphylococcus Aureus By Reacting With Staphylococcal Iron To Form Hydroxyl Radical. The Journal of Biological Chemistry. July 25, 1981. Volume 256 Number 14. Pages 7094-7096. PMID: 6265438.

J.T. Mallams, M.D., J.W. Finney, M.A., and G.A. Balla, M.D. The Use of Hydrogen Peroxide As A Source of Oxygen in A Regional Intra-Arterial Infusion System. Southern Medical Journal. March 1962. Volume 55.

Hiroshi Sasaki, Tadao Wakutani, Sikayuki Oda and Yasuo Yamasaki Yonago Acta Medica. Application of Hydrogen Peroxide Infusion to Maxillary Cancer. October, 1967. Volume 11, Number 3. Pages 141-149.

J. I. Thorne, Rosamund J. Svvennsen and D. Franks. Role of Hydrogen Peroxide in the Cytotoxic Reaction of T Lymphocytes. February, 1980. Volume 39 (2). Pages 486-495. PMID: 6248285.

Carl F. Nathan and Zanvil A. Cohn. Anti-Tumor Effects of Hydrogen Peroxide In Vivo. Journal of Experimental Medicine, November, 1981, Volume 154. Pages 1539-1553. PMID: 7299347.

O. Ben-Yoseph and B.D. Ross. Oxidation Therapy: The Use of a Reactive Oxygen Species-Generating Enzyme System For Tumour Treatment. British Journal of Cancer. December, 1994. Volume 70 (6). Pages 1131-1135. PMID: 7981065.

Kaichi Yoshizaki, Tsukasa Fujiki, Takahiro Tsunematsu, Makiko Yamashita, Miyako Udono, Sanetaka Shirahata, and Yoshinori Katakura. Pro-Senescent Effect of Hydrogen Peroxide on Cancer Cells and Its Possible Application to Tumor Suppression.Online Publication, February 7, 2009. Volume 73 (2). Pages 311-315. PMID: 19202296.

Harold C. Urschel, Jr., James W. Finney, Andres R. Morales, George A. Balla, and John T. Mallam. Cardiac Resuscitation With Hydrogen Peroxide. Circulation, Supplement II. October, 1965. Volumes XXXI and XXXII.

Harold C. Urschel, Jr., M.D., F.C.C.P. Cardiovascular Effects of Hydrogen Peroxide: Current Status. 1967. Volume 51. Pages 180-192. PMID: 6019122.

M.F. Coomes, A.M., M.D. Peroxide of Hydrogen as a Hoemostatic. Louisville Medical Monthly. September, 1896.

“Hydrogen Peroxide Elicits Pulmonary Arterial Relaxation and Guanylate Cyclase Activation”, Theresa M. Burke and Michael S. Wolin, American Journal Physiology, Heart and Circulatory Physiology, 1987, volume 252, issue 4, pages H721-H732.

B.E. Jay, J.W. Finney, G.A. Balla and J.T. Mallams. The Supersaturation of Biologic Fluids With Oxygen by the Decomposition of Hydrogen Peroxide. Texas Report Biol. & Med., 1964, Volume 22, pages 106-109.

D.C. White and P.R. Teasdale, Brit. J. Anaesth. The Oxygenation of Blood by Hydrogen Peroxide: In Vitro Studies. 1966, Volume 38, pages 339-344.

I don’t know whether it’s crap or not, but I do know a little chemistry and am a molecular biologist:

  • regular atmospheric oxygen: O-O stable diatomic
  • Ozone: O-O-O unstable, converting easily into O-O + reactive O
  • Hydrogen peroxide: H-O-H-O, unstable easily converting into H-O-H + reactive O

The body has a well known enzyme called catylase - it’s a primary free-radical scavenger that converts hydrogen peroxide into water and O … so the body does have effective means of dealing with small quantities of it naturally - as it is produced in the body naturally as a metabolic side-product.

Higher levels of it injected would likely have many effects on the body, I don’t know what they are specifically, but I can imagine a primary one would be that you would increase your production of catylase … which in turn would tend to dampen down free radicals in your system for a period of time as the catylase will hang around much longer than the hydrogen peroxide.

Of course, you are also going to have increased free-radical damage for the short period wherein the hydrogen peroxide levels are higher than normal. I can’t say what the effects might be longer term, as dosage, individual genetics, and simple lack of knowledge, == ignorance of too many factors.

I believe that having small amounts injected probably isn’t too harmful within a range (I don’t know what that range may be and I’m just speculating, not giving advice!)… and it’s certainly not comparable to injecting mercury or aluminum which can cause long lasting damage as the body hasn’t much defense against these metals when they are injected.

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In the blood, it encounters two enzymes: catalase and cytochrome-C. Catalase drives the above reaction to completion immediately. That part of the hydrogen peroxide that binds with cytochrome-C, however, is not allowed to become water and singlet oxygen for a period of forty minutes. After forty minutes of being bound to cytochrome-C this enzyme begins to act like catalase and breaks down the hydrogen peroxide to water and singlet oxygen.

It works via the same path that Ozone does.

Singlet Oxygen

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A fascinating read. I used to be the service agent for Dan computers in Scotland (best customer service 3 years running mid 90s Computer Shopper IIRC) and Chris always had a couple of the latest high end boxes from Dan. I visited his house quite a few times around that period replacing/upgrading graphics cards, HDDs and adding extra RAM etc. He was never that chatty but he did introduce me to Railroad Tycoon and I got hooked immediately. I still fire up OpenTTD from time to time but I’m not one of those who get nostalgic over retro PC games.

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Ha! Small world eh? I’ve bookmarked the blog, as I’m hoping the background on the other articles is as good as this one.

The beginnings of computers and gaming is just a different world to today’s big budget games on high power machines. It is such an amazing journey and one which is still unfolding.

I don’t really play any games at all these days. They just suck up too much time. Open Transport Tycoon is just a simple, quality item though. Easy to waste hours on though!

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Ha! Yeah, that about sums it up!

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Just gonna leave this here…

These ants decorate their homes with the heads of their enemies

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/11/ants-head-hunters-attack-trap-jaw-enemies-nests/

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I have a Sia sticker and t-shirt at home … Just saying :wink:

:you_all_gonna_die_down_here:

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