Uploading anonymously

[Sky]

@DavidMc0

If people in this forum can’t see where we’re at now, it not surprising outsiders can’t yet.

But, once decent apps are up & running, content is getting onto the network, and new ways of doing stuff with Autonomi are constantly emerging, people will start to see the value here.

I came across a post in the pricing thread but couldn’t reply for some reason—there was no button for it. Not sure why.

Anyway, I’ve been thinking about promoting Autonomi on various psychedelic and drug forums. I make static copies of forums, upload them to Autonomi as zip files, and then post the links back to those forums. The idea is to raise awareness and show potential users what Autonomi can do.

A few issues I’m facing:

1. I’m unsure how anonymous uploads to Autonomi really are?
2. I’d like to keep some distance between myself and the content I upload—what’s the best way to do that?
3. Some mirrors are large (e.g., the Vespiary forum I mirrored is 8.4GB zipped), and uploading them could be costly or technically tricky.

Could I get some help with these questions, please?

That said, if communities see real value in Autonomi, they might collectively cover the costs. Vespiary alone contains the legendary Hive archive and years of expert discussion since then.

I believe archiving and linking forums back to themselves through Autonomi is a powerful way to spread the word. What forum would you mirror and share?

Let’s not focus on getting more people on this forum or Discord. The real goal is to get people talking about Autonomi across many different platforms.

[MaxSan]

Cant agree more.. what would be super cool if we had excess functionality on an app such as Ant upload: an app to share files to the world - You can propose a hash of a set of files to upload, a fund can be set for them, sort of like a, bounty? im unsure exactly. In theory its nice, in practice, maybe tricky lol. It would be much easier if you fronted the funds for it and the bounty was set to return money to you if there was a hash matched on the network I would guess.

[loziniak]

You can publish anonymously with dweb:

https://github.com/happybeing/dweb/blob/main/dweb-cli/README.md#publish-a-website

If you generate yourself a one-time key for uploading this, it’s anonymous. A little problematic is Arbitrum blockchain, on which payment for uploads happens. I’m not sure if there is a connection between blockchain transaction and a piece of data on Autonomi, but it a level of anonymity an EVM (Ethereum-like) blockchain gives you is acceptable, then you should be ok. If not, just wait for the Native Token, like we all do…

[riddim]

how does anybody know you uploaded data anywhere anonymously?

[loziniak]

You could add an entry to some anonymous forum/board system (future thing – colony?, AntChain?), where you don’t have to link to your identity, just use one-time key to post a pointer/graphentry with a link to the stuff. Or just give the xorname to your friend, who gives it to his friend and so on.

[Sky]

@loziniak

A little problematic is Arbitrum blockchain, on which payment for uploads happens. I’m not sure if there is a connection between blockchain transaction and a piece of data on Autonomi, but it a level of anonymity an EVM (Ethereum-like) blockchain gives you is acceptable, then you should be ok.

Yeah, that was my main concern. It’s enough if I can get the necessary tokens without any KYC link to me.

@loziniak

You could add an entry to some anonymous forum/board system (future thing – colony?, AntChain?), where you don’t have to link to your identity, just use one-time key to post a pointer/graphentry with a link to the stuff.

That could be the future of these forums. But for now, it’s enough if I can post the data XOR address to those forums that are on the regular internet. At this early stage, it’s less about the benefit that this particular upload provides to those communities, and more about what those communities can offer to Autonomi. Ultimately, of course, the goal is for the benefit to be mutual.

Thanks for your advice!

Then again I’m not sure if I can upload such large files without streaming encryption, since my machine doesn’t have much RAM. But I can always demonstrate with partial copies.

One more thing, can I upload to Autonomi via VPN? Or even TOR? I’m here via TOR only, just in case …in case of paranoia.

[neo]

@Sky

Yeah, that was my main concern. It’s enough if I can get the necessary tokens without any KYC link to me.

There is no direct connection between blockchain and data stored.

The connections are

• blockchain can know IP address of sender and receivers (if tracked - not sure about this)
• blockchain knows how many chunks were uploaded for that transaction (upto around 80 chunks per transaction (256 transfers max per transaction)
• blockchain knows the ARB-ANT accounts for sender and nodes.

What it does not know

• what node an ARB-ANT account belongs to

On Autonomi itself, there is no record kept of IP addresses of sender or receiver, but if one modified the code then they could of course keep this, but that is another issue altogether.

Basically when you upload there is no connection between chunk stored and the blockchain other than a very loose one with time of day correlation requiring ISP etc logs of sender and all node’s ISPs.

Even obtaining the drive the records are stored on will not reveal any data since the original data was self encrypted and is encrypted again by the node when storing a record onto the disk.

[aatonnomicc]

sooner we have native token the better

[Southside]

I urge you all to vote for @loziniak and the Autonomi Community Token in that case.

Impossible Futures

[Sky]

Is this the first time that the address of data uploaded to Autonomi has been shared with a wider public beyond the Autonomi community itself?

Of course, there’s no way to be certain — but I’m going to shamelessly claim that feather for my own cap anyway!

https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php?topic=21544.new#new

(You’ll need to register to be able to view the topic, in question - and several other interesting topics. It’s easy and no real email address is required)

I shared the download link for:

Journal_Clandestine_Laboratory_Investigating_Chemists_Association_Oct_1992_Jul_2022.zip

It’s a fascinating little journal, unfortunately restricted to official law enforcement use only. It includes, for example, the proactive development of various drug syntheses tailored for underground conditions — so that forensic investigations can identify suspicious activity more quickly. It also explores how certain drugs can or cannot be synthesized with crude equipment, or what kinds of impurities different synthesis pathways tend to leave in the final product.

It’s pretty remarkable that police forces actively develop synthesis methods for various drugs — especially ones that can be replicated in kitchen settings around the world. And even more remarkable that this knowledge has now found its way into free circulation.

Of course, this isn’t the first time these journals have been published — they’re available, for example, through Hamilton Morris’s Patreon. Still, this serves as a great showcase of Autonomi’s potential.

I decided not to share the link directly on the Autonomi forum. Even though piracy doesn’t seem to be an issue in the “Community uploads” thread — and arguably, this release might be “less illegal” than uploading The Simpsons — it’s probably best to keep things a bit separate. Then again, it might be a good thing to bridge different communities. So if you’re interested in JCLIC, go grab the download link from The Vespiary and while you’re at it, check out the vibe of the forum!