The proof of that is there is no term for internet users… beyond users obviously.
But there are terms for the entities serving the users. That is “servers” and “companies” who own them.
Where we’re going there are no servers.
Everyone has option on earning tokens…
There seems no need to formally name those who earn more… though in time no doubt class struggle will arise and the workers will look down on the normal users and call themselves Gods!
I agree. Fantastic video by @JimCollinson, I went from very skeptical to convinced and smiling at the end. Well done! And the graphics and elements look superb.
To happybeing’s point. I think too Safe Network Tokens seem a bit generic - token that is. 2 alternatives to “tokens” might be “notes” or better perhaps “credits”. When I think “credits” i think star trek / scifi, but then again perhaps credit sounds like credit i.e. something owed.
Just to throw out some ideas.
Anyway, love the vid and love the thinking behind it and I can really see the depth of thought which is great!
Cheers
More precisely I would replace the whole triplet “Safe Network Tokens” with “Safe Notes”. This is shorter and can be abbreviated with SN which is precisely the acronym displayed in the CMC screen shot.
Safe Credits would be fine also.
If this thing results in us becoming rich, we all risk getting shot on sight for belonging to the Owning Class…
Gods! Hmmm… Maybe we should call node operators “Poppies”, as in “Opium for the masses”?
Animal Farm all over again.
Did someone mention piggies?
Well done @JimCollinson brilliant video and design. With regards to the ticker not many options really so I’d go with SN and snap it up before that is gone also. Really like the idea of having the network icon as the token symbol too
Very exciting! Cheers
We will join in the moothie. Each of us in a different key. Baggsie me the ‘A’
I was following your lead of using the new terminology in statements of fact vis-a-vis usage of the network to test them out. Although pre-sorting of all users into users that are also earners (stretching the new verb-based phrasing here) was implied, I see how that’s vague and doesn’t accurately represent the reality that earners will be a distinct group (noun) from users. I say distinct because not all who contribute resources to Safe will be users of it or exclusively a subset of users, making my earlier suggestion incorrect.
I’m attempting to adapt “farmers” of:
in the spirit of:
as closely as possible to test it out. If a noun should remain to refer to those who contribute resources to Safe, can “earn” be reused for it? I think your phrasing was good so I’ll remain as close to it as possible:
(OR relation)
- ““Farmers” “earn” “tokens” by running “nodes” of the “Safe Network”.”
- “Earners” “earn” “tokens” by running “nodes” of the “Safe Network”.
(AND relation)
- “Tokens” can be spent for “Safe space” (spend more strongly underscoring the utility token nature of SNT and accurately distances itself from a currency)
- “Tokens” can be earned by hosting “Safe space”
I’ll try those two again putting the network first for one of them, using the new “safe” phrasing, and closing a gap in the economic circuit:
- “Safe space” can be purchased with “Tokens”
- “Tokens” can be earned by hosting “Safe space”
- “Tokens” can be purchased and traded everywhere
As a final note, I personally would prefer host/hosters/hosting over farmers or earners. The concept is well-understood in telecommunications and perhaps more importantly, there’s abundant legal precedent recognizing hosts as operators of communications services and not publishers of their content and therefore liable for the content. (Varied by jurisdiction)
What do you/others think?
The network admin in me wants that (PoP) badly but nevertheless we shouldn’t.
You’ve done a great job simplifying things here and making it feel intuitive. Bravo. The mockups start to bring everything to life.
Man, I misheard it! So that’s a no on the awesome symbol you made. Can’t say I’m not a little bummed but I get it. Disregard my previous mentions on this topic.
Adding to the chorus: @JimCollinson nice work.
Echoing my comment from the update thread: I also agree that Safe Network Token is not ideal. Things I don’t like are that token implies (connotes) indivisible (as does coin). Token also implies indirect monetary value whereas coin implies direct (although this may not be accurate in the case of SAFE). Safe Network Tokens would work however in the end, as humans have shown themselves to adapt to any currency unit, be it dollars, bottle caps, carnival tickets, or cigarettes.
I didn’t have a better idea, but from, this thread, Safe Network Credits and Safe Notes are the most fitting IMHO.
I’m willing to bet that in the end the currency will be called simply Safe. Anyone want to bet on 100 Safes?
Overall, I see the value in these changes as well. I think the shift from “account” to “safe” is on point. In practice, I think the use of “earn” simplifies things, especially as farming will take place from a plethora of device types.
As others have already mentioned, I think “Safe Network Token” poses some significant challenges. I appreciate that Jim noted some of these challenges in the video. In addition to those challenges that have already been mentioned (e.g. too many syllables, may falsely constrain perspective regarding multiple use cases, etc.), I’d also add: what then are tokens minted for Safe Network dApps (e.g. Project Decorum) to be called?
I do have to say, I appreciate Jim’s bullish sentiment. Top 5, here we come
SNT … SaiNT’s! As in Saint Irvine
and I’m only half joking!
Great work @JimCollinson - excellent video presentation. I’m very happy to see the ‘coin’ terminology being dropped. I wonder about the “get paid” terminology though … getting ‘paid’ may indicate earning money and hence coin, not specifically a token … maybe just: ‘get tokens’ ? But perhaps I’m being overly pedantic.
Safe Network Token Ticker ideas
SN (probably the best tbh)
SNTO (close to SNT which is taken)
NWRK
WRK
SFNT
STOK (kinda broie sounding, short for Safe Token)
SNTOK
SEC
There are actually two ‘SAFE’ tickers now. Safe (SAFE) price, marketcap, chart, and info | CoinMarketCap
SafeCoin (SAFE) price, marketcap, chart, and info | CoinMarketCap
And funnily enough SEC is now available. SEC used to be SafeX or Safe Exchange Coins ticker. Now it is SFT.
A lot of the relevant tickers starting with X are taken. I have to say SN sticks out as it’s accurate, matches the naming on GitHub, and because it’s two letters will be on top on any SN(blank) ticker, of which there are MANY! So that would be a big plus imo.
@maidsafe is reserving SN on coinmarketcap and the likes on your priority list? Or does it have to be launched to take the ticker? If so then maybe one our brilliant community members like @DeusNexus could reserve it by making a placeholder ERC20 with SN as the name to later be replaced? I would help pay ETH contract fees or what not if need be.
Maybe this would cause more confusion but maybe there would be ways to make it untradeable or inaccessible until it is officially replaced. Just would hate to see another prospect poached.
What about SNETT ?
I’m out of my league here, but “Earn” can sound a bit too “advertisy” (Is that a word? Sleazy?) to me in some contexts like imperatives. Like: “Buy two for the price of one and “Save” money!” (One never saves money by buying anything.)
Am I making any sense?
“Host” is not a bad noun, or verb for that matter.
Disclaimer: English is NOT my first language.