Update 7th November, 2024

It is still being treated with kid’s gloves by people.

Uploads are carefully planned

shunning rates still very high. My nodes still consider many nodes as bad so there are a lot of errors in communications occurring and/or nodes dying

The current 32GB + 4MB network is still not as stable as what should be expected

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Hopefully we will get to test with your recommended Quick setting in the near future :slight_smile:

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And hope it lives up to expectations. Its needed even if it doesn’t solve all the transfer errors.

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18 years into a project, the word hope should surely not be a big factor.

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@neo didn’t spend 18 years on his proposal or I certainly hope not :joy:

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What’s the alternative? Give up trying to build a decentralised internet after an arbitrary number of years because it’s not easy?

If a goal is worthwhile, unachieved, and there’s reason to believe it’s possible, hope is essential to get it done, irrespective of how many years have passed.

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I think you understood what I mentioned, if you didn’t let me be clearer. You can not launch whilst you are still hoping that the product works, you hope it’s successful, you don’t “hope” at this late stage that it doesn’t fail to function.

With projects as ambitious as this one, challenges and setbacks are part of the journey. While you try to keep improving the product, you hope the outcome of these efforts will align with what you envisioned in the first place. Hope is necessary for maintaining persistence in reaching the end goal. So, of course, hope is a crucial factor.

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Thanks for clarifying. From your comment it seemed you were referring to how many years have passed rather than how close to launch we are.

I can understand the concern about being close to the proper launch with some uncertainties. But, this network looks promising. Pressing on towards the goal of a January launch brings good focus, and I wouldn’t be bothered if niggles pushed it back a little.

I think ‘hope’ will be part of this one even after launch, as various threats and challenges may pop up from scaling & attacks well after launch.

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What I meant was after 18 years (which underscores how challenging this all is) you cannot then set a release date of January if the product still has big question marks. It should be put back whilst there is still the prevalence of “hoping it works”

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I also was under the same assumption jajaja

Anyways from that perspective of course you are right, but the team certainly wouldn’t launch a live version of the network without being pretty sure it’s functioning as intended (while tweaking along the way if necessary). Thinking that, that would greatly underestimate the expertise of David and his team.

I am in favor of the target dates and believe they are more about pressuring and motivating faster progress than setting rigid deadlines for launching just for the sake of it.

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What big question marks? The question above your reply was whether a tweak Neo has suggested will have the desired impact… not whether the network will function.

The beta networks were generally stable, and the ERC20 version seems to be close to stable.

The team can set the targets they want to… they can, and have set a release date in January 2024. Whether it needs to be delayed or not remains to be seen, but the rate of progress is impressive from my perspective, and that’s the most important thing to me.

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There are plenty of questions that aren’t yet answered, and even after TGE there will be new challenges against which the network will have to be tested.

I think it’s a mistake to expect it all to work, and a mistake to talk of launch and MVP having been reached.

It would be better to set realistic expectations, be more open and clear about the current state, internal analysis, what is known, what is unknown etc. It used to be like that but now we are expected to believe obvious fallacies.

TGE would be more sensible and honest point for launch, and it should still come with caveats.

To date the network has been taking baby steps. Impressive in many ways, but this is a whole new technology with many uncertainties and apparent holes that may need to be plugged before it can stand alone in the world.

Hope though is good. Realism and clarity are actually a way to bolster that, whereas pretence and lack of honesty cause disappointment, loss of credibility and belief.

Just look at ‘launch’, and ‘MVP’ neither of which are honest descriptions of the recent release, and you make talk of a ‘code freeze’ into just another meaningless milestone.

Again it seems obviously premature, but apparently it’s needed to maintain some non-credible illusion that come end of January everything will work.

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