I always do 
I should say. Getting every computer in the world connected and storing data in a kinda boring way is a huge task. There is no way a timescale could have been guessed.
However, when that’s done (how close we can all see/guess/hope) then it’s pure project management and that does mean timescales, release dates etc. This is when it gets much more interesting.
Many years from now when someone is commenting on the dedication and long-suffering abilities of a person, he’ll no longer say he has “the patience of Job”, but “the patience of David Irvine”.
=D still difficult enough to get estimates there right 
but I guess it’s not really about getting it right and more about getting a rough estimate when to expect what 
All good and all correct… Just wanted to say I can feel with @Blindsite2k and in spite of all the good news I still am hesitant to get too excited too fast now 
I don’t blame anyone on the planet for thinking that, given the journey. All good
Exactly, and going public with these timelines was proven to be a disaster for Maidsafe in the past and thankfully they don’t do it anymore.
Breaking ground technology always seems to have unreliable timeframes, but requires them otherwise developers naturally try to unnecessarily gold plate everything.
It really should be expected that groundbreaking technology takes much longer than outsiders imagine. Just look at Elon Musk’s time estimates LOL and he is the one who should know the real timeframes
Note how long epochal inventions take to develop… e.g. the electric car, which seemed like space in the 19th century but is still a crippled computer on wheels today.
SafeNet is a new Internet that, like the current Clearnet, needs time to reach its planned functionality and performance.
Comparing SN to other crypto projects is probably not legitimate, because as far as I know none of them are creating a new network protocol, and none of them are pretending to become DAOs.
It’s amazing the amount of BS speech this “eco-chamber” community can create to justify their past decisions (trust the wrong person).
It’s so difficult to understand? This start-up company never has released a thing and never will. Just it’s way beyond their capacity and competence. “Do as you do to finally prove you have nothing”. Just because they renew the flavour of their snake-oil speech (lib-p2p thing) it won’t be different this time. It’s just business as usual.
No matter what they say, it always will be the same. Their software it’s not ready yet (and never will). Obviously, if after 9 years they don’t even have a design in place… it’s simply because they don’t know how to do it.
Simply it’s not a serious effort of nothing… just a shabby attempt of… well… of walking in circles because you don’t have what you need to release and can not create it because is waaay too much for you AND you don’t want to recognize it.
I understand your frustration but understand that where we are at is like having all the core systems of the Saturn 5 rocket worked out. What is being worked on now is connecting all the parts and working out the kinks with these connections.
The frame, engine, guidance system is in place. Even the basic wiring harness and plumbing is there. Is just about putting together and launching this thing.
David for the first time in years has been able to properly engage the community and share ideas. This is because the core systems have been worked out. Hang in there my friend.
This is a moonshot that was considered impossible. This is the internet reimagined. It’s not just a network storage platform.
Aw c’mon @max.
Get off the fence and tell us what you really think.
Wimp
Yes you are right, and I recommend you should go to the crypto community where you want to be belong 
. This project is not suitble to you.
That was a no burger swipe really. Of course any new software company has nothing to show until they do.
The proof will be in the pudding.
To say there is no design shows ignorance of what is there in my opinion.
Some of us see progress and get excited at what could be and others cry there is nothing yet. Each to their own and I’d hope everyone remains seated in reality and not attributing things where they shouldn’t. Don’t bet on things that don’t exist yet, but also why poo poo something while its still in development. At least with Safe we have been seeing viable testnets which now only need the usability aspects added before Beta
I hope the team has a list of posts/tweets like maxs and they are the first to receive some free SNT to test the network they thought could not be built
When the FUD starts getting slung about it’s a good thing means we are getting somewhere 
This is certain, and it will amplify as we move on. There is always a motive for the effort of posting.
Do not attack! Explain and convince.
Max, I understand that you may have invested in SafeNet and expect a return at least as high as investing in any other crypto? Or maybe you have other reasons to be bitter, but on what basis do you write that SN will never exist? Do you know the future…?
I suggest you read a bit on the forum (I think I’ve read a lot more than you and I still don’t understand anything 
), and maybe you could join the next testnet and see where the project is?
Note that creating a new decentralised internet is not the same as some app that is decentralised in name and got its marketing done by Elon Musk.
As I understand it, you’ve never created an invention and you don’t know what it means to create something that has never existed before but is supposed to be available to all humanity?
I’ll put it this way, try to look at it with a less critical eye, read up on the project and be of good cheer and I’m sure your Buzz Coin will appear (or any other benefit you hope for).
We are open to discussion and constructive criticism, and you?
Trust me, it’s going to be a great project, even if it takes time - my intuition has never been wrong, and all the mistakes I’ve made have been because I didn’t listen to it.
A lot in life comes down to how hard you will try, how hard you will push and some of the best things are not instant gratification.
This project historically has had many, almost there moments and that has been a huge mistake. It’s understandable though and with reflection I can say (in the hope it helps others)
In this project we made the mistake of thinking nearly there meant it was close, when in fact the last wafer thin mint could mean we are actually far away. The addition of complexity and fancy greek lettered algorithms drove folk nuts, it was all wrong, but sounded great. We lost the simplicity of the ant colony design.
Lots of mistakes, however you either give up or correct them and correcting them takes time. That time is too much for many folk and that is cool, but to claim it will never work etc. is all just too much. The honest judgement would be to say I don’t believe it, not that it cannot happen.
Every single advancement to humanity, until it is released, can be claimed to likely never work.
To make the change you do need to be built of different stuff, right or wrong, the only guarantee we can make is not trying will certainly never achieve anything.
Where we are now is a testament to the teams ability to get the whole core out (OK we wait on NAT etc. but we can see that just turns on at some stage) and iterate through testnets. Now we can say we are close as we bore folk with tests that just work. Now as @joshuef says, we can get to more interesting things (i.e. what can we do now we can connect the worlds’ computer resources, my guess is that it’s not about storing data, it’s about a completely new way to exchange value across humanity). In any case, giving up was never an option here, too much at stake.
I don’t believe this is true.
There are people who support those who do hard things and there are people who tear them down.
What sucks most about the internet is the bravery of being out of range, this tends to unleash the worst in many people, I don’t understand why but it is what it is.
Valid arguments as to why something is “not possible” should be welcomed by all but just being a dick should not be tolerated.
Having been on the journey for a long time can be disheartening, or it can strengthen understanding and give extra confidence. I’ll never wish it had taken so long, but I do benefit from understanding why we went to the different places and how the project arrived back at its roots.
That gives confidence that this is a good approach, and there were also genius moments that were massive choices that MaidSafe/David got right. The switch to Rust in early 2015 was an incredible and risky leap, way ahead of other projects and vindicated again and again.
I have also learned to trust my skeptic, and be hard to convince about where we are, and less willing to think it’s done and dusted.
I’m still interested to see how this model will survive in the wild, with real people in all their guises in a harsh environment, and AFAIK there are still sufficient bugs to be smoothed out (for very large uploads, for example), wallets easily being corrupted (maybe easy to fix IDK), and important functionality to be built though mostly straightforward now, but will take time for such a small team (such as the CRDT based filesystem).
I have given up wishing it would happen sooner but I’m not disheartened and can say MaidSafe have never been close to where they are now. I don’t know when it will reach beta but this is already an exciting year so I’ll be sticking around and enjoying the ride.
The fact is that there are a few people who are not interested in anything else in crypto, but there are many others of us who like to test and play with anything new. I’ve personally mined and run nodes on Sia and Storj, Noia, Ethereum while it was PoW, and all sorts of other things.
I still can’t find an idea like Safe (the last one @Bogard gave as an example Iroh is not good - it’s centralized like Storj).
People who can’t imagine what Safe could be would do well to read Hyperion (Dan Simmons) - Safe is where Artificial Intelligence lives - it can’t be turned off, it’s integrated into everything, it can’t be censored and it’s autonomous. Something that ignites your imagination with all that can improve the lives of our species.
Privacy. Security. Freedom
(…)
Gentlemen, you really don’t know this fairy tale…? (The green one is Safe Network.)