No, I didn’t say that at all. I said we don’t have clean, or enough data to make that conclusion.
Actually, no, it’s not easy to test at all. Not to say we won’t or can’t, but it’s just no where near as simple as people assume… so we don’t just dive into these things on feels.
but I assume you are working on collecting the data then 
What kind of word salad response is that? I said simply “run the same network with the old 500 kb chunk size. Are you okay with doing that?” But the above was your response? You guys are too smart for me. Bye.
If the next test is the first with erc20 and it crashes how will we know if it’s the 4mb chunk or the introduction of the erc20?
That’ll actually be a good bit easier to establish because ERC20 is the payment mechanism, not really related to the failure mode in question here.
But a more general answer—that can’t be called a word salad but more of a dense nutritious word sausage–: telemetry.
100% agree with this.
I will take you on your word about your accomplishments and respect to you as well.
Regardless, the approach people take in their communication is very important. It may work one way when you actually run the show but alas we do not in this particular situation and so I have to balance what is being shared, what I know, etc etc and choose how to react in a way that is either conducive to improvement or an alternative which is easiest for me.
I just won’t resort to all out negativity and to be clear, I am not singling you out, my post was speaking to a general spattering of remarks.
Last remarks from me on the issue. I think peeps need to chill and let the team focus.
I’m with you and @Lisa_Brown on those thought well done to the team and keep up the great work and I can’t wait till Tuesday
And everyone knows we’re the door is if they ain’t happy 
This much is true.
But you have a (self-imposed) two weeks max to launch (for various values of launch) a network that has been 18 years in the making and we are still discussing some absolutely fundamental points.
I know you guys are good, but are you that good?
I’m worried and sorry @Lisa_Brown - its not just negativity, I have been around this a long time and been wildly supportive in the past when things looked iffy. I will continue to be as positive as possible but there comes a point when the evidence before your eyes makes cheer-leading look like blind faith, and I don’t deal in blind faith.
There is a nasty whiff of lawyers and accountants around this project now.
But I think this is the part of the tests to see network behavior on such situations.
In real network, node operators could actually manipulate the price of put data as they will try to have as many nearly full nodes as possible.
And when total records grow on each safenode, they will kill the latest to have space for oldest.
So instaed of passionally waiting with unused space. You could always have 70+% free space full if CPU and RAM is not issue to operate much more nodes.
I don’t find bland calls to stay positive or shut up helpful. To me that is cultish and that’s never been the culture here.
I also don’t see the criticism as emotional. If criticism is baseless, by all means point out why.
We’ve had plenty of emotion over the years and plenty of criticism. The way David has handled that taught me a lot.
Seeing people I have respected tell people to shut up or leave for voicing concerns or making reasoned criticism disturbs and saddens me.
So if you dislike my ‘negativity’ this year after a decade of overwhelming ‘positivity’ and thousands of hours of my labour in service of the project, maybe consider there may be good reason. Did you find my ‘positivity’ uncomfortable too? And if you can’t understand my explanations or don’t have time to challenge them, I think that’s your problem.
I don’t know if anyone criticising negativity here is referring to me because the criticism of negativity has been generalised, but it doesn’t matter: criticism should be welcomed and ideally answered. See again David’s example. FWIW I’ve seen Bux handle criticism superbly well on the Discord, and here when she has responded to it.
My points though, have for the most part been ignored by Autinomi. Only David has engaged properly and he clearly is both out of the loop and not well enough to continue with that. He may also have been asked to step back given the new approach this year. We don’t know really. But I find many changes disturbing and have stopped ignoring what I believe are major misteps - because I care about the project and the fundamentals.
If you disagree with me by all means say what you disagree with and why.
Heyo Mark! Yeah, again it is a bit more general. Not pointing out a specific problem with any one or various points and I do see many as valid.
I am referring mostly to the nasty tone and negative sentiment, which to me is becoming undeniable. Of course we don’t agree with each other all the time, or the team more particularly but the endless barrage is not helpful imo.
If I was to pick out one issue that made my stomach turn was your treatment of Jim with the dev forum. I totally understood your position and even stood behind it but didn’t care for the way you were handling it, which was to be blatant, completely ineffective. The bigger problem I had was that even after getting what you desired, you continued to drag his name through the mud despite him complying.
Mainly to me, I’m seeing decent people starting to treat a hard working team with less respect or as if maidsafe don’t have their own reasoning, or someone didn’t listen to me so I have to raise my voice until I am heard.
It’s about decency and balance.
I understand I get on peoples case about this from time to time. I find turmoil repugnant and unhealthy. One thing I truly respect is how in most cases devs can speak very verbose without being insulted! But that’s not the vibe as of late.
We all know we can’t listen to every suggestion and no one in this world can please everyone. Mad love for the community and the team.
I’ll be here through thick and thin as I want to see the mission accomplished just as much as the rest of you. There’s many paths, let’s not think our way is the only way. That goes for Maidsafe too.
This isn’t popularity contest either. If you agree go ahead and like, if not then don’t. It doesn’t mean a whole lot besides signaling a shared point of view. I get criticism doesn’t get as many likes and that’s why we shouldn’t take likes to heart because criticisms are just as valid if not more so than positive remarks.
Surprised to continue hearing from you. I thought you were in “self exile”. Welcome back.
He’s back because he cares. Just like most of us that are in danger of being labelled “negative”.
@happybeing however stands out because he has the demonstrated contribution history and technical ability that means he is generally worth listening to very carefully.
So I have a question if it can be answered please @joshuef or whomever knows in the team. It’ll help please.
It was said that 4MB was tested in house and found to be a good mix of node size and max chunk size. This would logically mean that both larger and smaller sizes were being tested to be able to come to that conclusion.
Question:
Can you reveal the qualitative conclusions made about 2MB max chunk size, 8MB max chunk size and 16MB max chunk size tests. And if you tried 32MB max chunk size and 64 max chunk size
How did they perform?
The point of this question is trying to determine the relative performance between these sizes and at what size the results of testing showed that the size was not suitable.
And maybe a follow up question, would it not be wise to beta test 8MB and if not any reasons for that?
Thank you in anticipation of the response.
You unblocked me!
I, too, am a very happy being he’s back. He probably has the richest and most celebrated contributions to this project of all original guys. And the longest tenure. He’s been here from pretty much the very beginning. Can’t leave us now.
FWIW, he and Dimitar will get my vote for the inaugural Autonomi Hall of Fame induction, if I get one.
P.S. He’s kind of sensitive though.
I didn’t even know he left! Tells you how well I’m paying attention but I couldn’t imagine him not being here tbh. Back when I first joined it was mainly him and David having convos and me learning from them both.
Now you being negative? No. Opinionated for sure but your banter with the others here is unmatched good sir.
I’m not sure about that because surely if a node is quite full compared to others it is close to its quotations will be higher?
Yes. The cheapest node quote will get the payment. If anything you want nodes with the least data compared to its close neighbours, since it will get more payments over time. But that is not really possible anyhow.
All because node operators have little say on what data is being stored and how much will be offloaded when a new node or two appears close to the node in XOR space.
Regarding the criticism, I find it a little unsettling too.
It seems like the team is trying to make the necessary changes to launch. Prior to this, it has felt like an academic project at times, with an endless runway.
I respect that. I would have preferred native tokens from day 1, but understand the constraint. I thought the dev forum was worth keeping, but accepted the comms overhead it can cause.
I’m also old and wise enough to understand there are many things I don’t understand. I audited the code a few years back for my own curiosity, but it has changed massively since. There is huge complexity and this shouldn’t be underestimated.
I trust the dev team, as really, it is the only thing I can do from this distance. Even the jobs I do professionally are often around small sections of large code bases - too big to learn in weeks or even months. Having done a mixture of contracting and permanent software roles, I appreciate the decisions of those who came before me, along with their unique insight at the time.
So, maybe ‘just’ changing back to 512kb is the answer. Maybe it isnt. From the outside, looking in, we just don’t have the data. By the sounds of it, even from the inside, it isnt clear cut.
The team want success, just as much as we do.