Update 11th September, 2025

Well you’re right about all of those things. I was just curious if you were genuine or trying to demoralize the people. You seem genuine so don’t let me stop you.

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Centralised solutions already offer this. So its not a new selling point.
re Distributed storage - this also exists (storj, IPFS, torrents).

There is no privacy with crypto.

Immutable data is the only unique part.

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There is privacy with crypto if you know what you are doing. Also depending on your jurisdiction and risk tolerance. XMR is the OG privacy coin, but there are others. Then there are mixers you can use to jumble it to make it near impossible if not impossible to trace. Please note I never advocate anything illegal in your local jurisdiction.

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storj, IPFS, and Big Tech clouds each do parts of this — encryption, distribution, or immutability.
Autonomi combines all three into one package with no central point of trust. Thast’s the difference: not a single feature, but the synergy of features that makes true digital sovereignty possible.

Also, David seems have been busy as usual ,so who knows what other innovations are possible , beyond immutable storage

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And if it ain’t automatic, it doesn’t exist in practice…

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Using xmr/mixers? Is that what was meant by a secure, private and anonymous network? Is that in the whitepaper? Facebook is secure if you know what you are doing.

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Your right that is not what was meant by a secure, private, and anonymous network. But I gave you some examples you can use right now. Currently the team if focusing on getting the network stable and getting developers to build through IF. Once that is in a place that David and the team is happy with we can focus on some of the other promises keeping in mind the different legal frameworks we have today, which have changed over the years do to government laws.

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I hope we fail as badly as medium or WordPress

(and even the failed open diary (1998-2014) ‘relaunched 2018 as subscription-only’ - someone else ‘never exceeded 600 million users’… )

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This is the long-term goal, as Musk wants to colonize Mars, things are happening step by step.

It is also important to note that it is not necessary and unlikely that all the steps will be taken under one brand. There is a huge possibility that Autonomi’s technology will be used in multiple copies, each bringing us closer to the final goal.

Regarding the problem with crypto wallets, this is not a technological but a social problem - inevitably the next generations will be educated to use crypto, i.e. we just have to wait.


Check out the Impossible Futures!

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“We” might want new versions of existing solutions but thats unlikely to happen at scale, what we will get though is new things that don’t exist.

Is that not the point?

If we have been here for all this time for youtube 2.0, then we failed.

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I agree that rebuilding the old web on autonomi won’t cut it. There probably was a window for that, but the ship has sailed. While autonomi was developed, a brand new gen of web users have grown up, and they’re all iOS/roid hoppers. They were raised to barely notice how their data is being mishandled, leaked, sold – they won’t go from youtube to antube just because our propaganda.

Original ideas require young devs tho. Most fifty year olds have few heureka moments, and we slowly approach the stage where most or at least relevant many safeheads, antheads, whatever approach late forties at least.

All we can do is get back down to earth and build it/use it. I have given up getting rich on this. It was a huge relief.

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Ha! I think a lot of tech oldies will argue against that. There is rarely anything truly new under the sun. It’s just the young often don’t realise that! :sweat_smile:

What youth do have though, is lots of time. Much of it is probably spent reinventing wheels, but some output will be useful.

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Totally agree, been looking at some stuff (that worked) from previous decades to maybe come up with some “back to the future” approaches to advertising/exposure/rewards, dweb gig economy :slightly_smiling_face:

Paper Printing vs Digital Ads

Paper:

Yes, printing consumes trees, water, ink, and transport.

BUT: once printed, the footprint is static. It doesn’t grow per click, per view, per tracking event.

Digital Ad Rails (MAG7):

Vast server farms powering surveillance-based targeting 24/7.

Every impression = compute cycles, tracking scripts, AI profiling, data transfers across continents.

Per-user emissions accumulate endlessly (adtech is one of the most energy-intensive digital layers).

Back to the future alternative

One-time (updated/print on demand) paper print (Directory listings/Qr, powered by old/refurb kit (nodes) can be edited like a facebook post and shared via four word networking/feels like a game?) = fixed cost. MAG7 ad rails = infinite recurring energy drain.
(sure, you lose the targeted ads that mag7 offer in the short term, but there are probably solutions to that)

TLDR …fusing distribution (exposure engine) with infrastructure scaling (node growth) into one citizen-first package.
I will make a post next couple of weeks to kick the idea about, kinda off topic for update page

Green Sheild stamps is now Argos.
They repurposed their supplier and warehouse network when legislation screwed their existing business model.

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There is so much happening for Autonomi with IF, and Dave, etc and all positive indeed! But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Youtube 2.0 may or may not be the future.

None tech, average People I talk to, however, keep asking me when they can upload their data to the network, for cheap and easy cloud storage, because they can’t stomach to pay $40 a month to Apple.

I think even with gas prices Autonomi can do better than that. When we have a native coin, even better. :rocket:

Edit: than again, lets get way ahead of ourselves: cobite just posted this on discord, and blew my mind! Wasm OS

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Yeh, i was using the green shields as an example of a loyalty system but (in my case) not to corporations, to a community(where i live) and digital sovereignty.

The Directory idea isn’t just a booklet. It’s a shared discovery engine for a community (eg where i live) If you’ve got a digital product, service, or idea, the Directory gives it visibility.

The App Discovery Problem as i see it, without a Directory?

Each new solution/app = a new advertising effort.

Developers /creators either:

Pay for ads (PPC, SEO, social boosts) mean costs rise the more crowded the space gets.

Or grind free promotion (content, outreach, social) mean time + energy that scales badly.

Every additional app adds to the noise and raises the bar for everyone. It’s exponential effort in cost + complexity.

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Wait till you see what @safemedia has just done with Autonomi OS…

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OK, so what are those laws that have changed? Can you be explicit?

Impossible futures is apt. The team might just as well claim they are building a time machine as claim they are building a private anonymous network with govnt regulated tax deductible KYC crypto

The cost of crypto isn’t the price. The price is huge inconvenience and giving up privacy. The one thing we can be sure of in the Apple/Google dominated era is that almost nobody is prepared to give up convenience. Even less will be prepared to give up convenience that won’t solve the privacy issue.

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