Interestingly, I pushed all 7 boxes onto the same wallet and now the reward/version changes are in place, I’m getting a lot more ANT.
Today I got 35 ANT for the 7 boxes, althought they are all pushing nearly 500 nodes now they have levelled out (takes a week or two for the script to slowly increase nodes to fit). So, about 1 ANT per 100 nodes, per day, or there abouts.
Yes, I’ve seen it somewhere (no idea where now) that because of the way the quoting to determine emission reward works there is an unintentional threshold of about 50 to 100 nodes needed to have much chance of getting any. So it’s best to put all your nodes on the same address. And people who can’t run that number of nodes will likely get nothing. Another bone of contention with emissions. But we shouldn’t be discussing that here and it should be in The Emissions Thread -aka lollipops - #39 by Toivo
Yes, that is about what is see. But only if you are running a good enough number as above.
Edit:
That thing of needing to have about 100 nodes to figure much in the emissions was I think someone’s analysis of this post:-
But I can’t find it. Unless I just dreamed it.
Eek… I’m still at around 45 ANT per day per 100 nodes on my longest running Hetzner nodes, but also around 7-8 per 100 on my shortest running nodes. Huge difference between those, and also between mine and everyone else’s I hear about.
I have seen rewards steadily decreasing since the start of the week, which hopefully means more nodes are upgrading to the latest version over time in response to the rewards requiring the latest node software version.
Not sure why I’m getting 40-50x more rewards than others… given I’ve argued strongly against emissions it doesn’t seem right 
That is disconcerting! But maybe we should move this to The Emissions Thread -aka lollipops - #39 by Toivo
Those ANT numbers are pretty massive! 
Mine have crept up to almost 40 over last 24h (total for all boxes), so they do seem to be rising. Maybe as thet get older, relative to other nodes being upgrades recently? Hard to say.
Maybe, though I guess that in lieu of earnings from uploads, emissions are a key metric relevant to discerning ‘Best Safe Node hardware’ setups, so I’d suggest it’s relevant here.
Keeping most emissions discussion in that thread makes sense, but where it’s relevant elsewhere, I guess there should be exceptions (though the mods can decide).
If yours are going up and mine down, that would make sense.
It’s insane. I’m effectively earning my Hetzner monthly bill every day, even at these crazy low ANT prices (though of course I’m not selling any).
I wonder whether my earnings might be high due to there being a concentration of nodes on Hetzner, or whether it’s just about age of nodes?
Probably a combination of public IP (somehow it earns more in latest version that port forwaded nodes) and location (connectivity) + age.
@neo can you please explain the reasoning for moving this here?
Seems like taking things too far when even relevant, incidental mentions of emissions are removed from other discussions.
The way I see it, discussions where emissions are the main topic (e.g. should there be emissions / asvantages / disadvantages of emissions etc) should be kept here, but I think ending all mentions of the word emissions from other discussions where emissions are a relevant factor / incidental, rather than being the main topic (e.g. what hardware is working best for nodes; earnings as a metric; earnings come from emissions), would be better to remain in place.
But, if reducing some quality of discussion helps improve team-community relations, so be it.
Mainly because emissions is too hot a subject at the moment and it was suggested to move this line of posts. To leave your post there would be to have a disjointed set of posts. Yes the posts crossed over two topics and since emissions is a trigger word at this time I considered it best to be here.
Fair enough.
Hopefully things get more respectful between the team & community regarding emissions in the not too distant future and this constraint won’t be needed.
That would perhaps chime with my 300 odd Hetzner nodes earning a lot more than my ~700 nodes from home.
I have just 100 nodes could have more, but there is no reason to have it in current state. So as soon as developers test net will be ready, I will support it. Everything is still much better than year ago or years ago, there is no point be angry, when fixing one issue takes instead of days several weeks.
Honestly, seems like barking down the road of censorship. First they tell you how you can speak (I.e. you can only talk about emissions “here”); it’s already bleeding into telling you what you can say (I.e. don’t talk about emissions at all). I’m amazed by the degrees of increasingly centralized control this project’s leadership is taking. This community used to be a place of free discourse. That’s rapidly changing, and that’s sad to see. Once upon a time, the community’s perspective mattered and influenced strategic choices. That no longer seems to be the case without turning into an arduous fight. Does Autonomi exist for MaidSafe or does Autonomi exist for the community?
Surely moving a set of posts talking about emissions into the current topic talking on emissions is not censorship. Maybe poor collating on my part, hardly censorship.
I can see why people think that, but I think that it’s very unfair to the team to say things like this. This community used to be a civil place and people would argue with reason. To me it was always a pleasure reading through the forums. Nowadays I see so many demands, insults and lack of understanding that I fully understand why the team has decided not to continue to discuss everything in depth with this community all the time.
Yet, I strongly believe the team always hears and is up to date on every concern the community has. Fair enough, it may take a little longer than needed (like the double emission error), but eventually they do hear us and correct it. That does not mean they will just do whatever this community wants. We as a community have to understand that we do not have all the pieces of the puzzle, not in the slightest. We need to get off our high horses and trust that the team that does have all the moving pieces does things with the networks, and so the communities, best interest at heart.
I’ve had several friends that I brought in during the beta reward program that where actively reading the forums and in the Discord on a daily basis that mentioned that they stopped doing that because of all the negativity lately. I think it’s really time we stop the blame game and look at our own part. And for what it’s worth, that does not mean that I do not share some of the frustrations people are having, I do.
Respectfully, WTF does the team have to do with it? They’re devs and engineers, not management or forum mods. If they’re wise, they are steering clear of the forum at all costs. Engaged only when absolutely necessary. If people–prospective investors–can’t stomach infighting or debate, they have absolutely zero place being involved in something as high risk as this project. Are we supposed to pretend that somehow bitcoin maxis and other projects haven’t been figuratively ripping each others throats out day in and day out since 2009?
The most dedicated people in this community are getting rightfully pissed all the way off with the hand waving and victimhood mentality. We were assured that we absolutely had to come to market with the network now and that failure was not an option, only to be led down the same old path of tinkering the project to death. People in this community have dedicated many multiple years of their lives, precious time and what would today be worth literal fortunes to this project, only to hear over and over again that their concerns are trivial or entirely meaningless—directly after being ensured by so-called management that fiduciary responsibility was top priority. We don’t have management. We have a PR team that pulled off what I consider to be the best possible outcome with respect to rebranding and then ghosted us. Our marketing could be done by AI or a monkey with an internet connection. The smartest among us are raising alarm bells left and right and we are sick and tired of being told to sit down and shut up.
Now you are downright insulting and I don’t that’s cool at all.
It was simply my decision to keep the new posts on it in one topic, like we do for so many posts/topics. And since the dual topic post was in thread with other posts in the wrong topic, I moved them
No conspiracy or effort to censorship.
There has been no posts deleted on it, all posts are now going in the one topic that is on the topic of Emissions, so everyone can get to read all about it without jumping all over the forum.
No one here is being told to shut up or moved to a corner. This is in the open in the community category for all to read and post on. NO CENSORSHIP is happening by the mods here