SAFE v1.0 without Safecoin?

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@Melvin

How does a prediction back up your suggestions?

As an aside, in the topic with predictions the top poster explained the post wasn’t intended to be judgmental towards MaidSafe devs. This topic is the same - it’s not about delays, but about estimating when v1.0 will be available for production use.
The prediction backs up my suggestions in sense that if no commenter expected v1.0 to be released later than March 2016, maybe it’d be a good idea to consider ways to complete v1.0 by next March.

@Melvin

beta may happen in December 2015 or later,

Beta doesn’t exist anymore.

Yeah, I got that comment on the predictions topic too. “Beta” was renamed into something else (with what purpose?) which I’m too lazy to check now.

@Melvin

the coin part is far from being completed (frankly, it sounds like work on that part hasn’t even started),

What’s your source on this?

This forum. Examples:

• Will public data will be cheaper or not? No answer yet and last time someone commented (David), the answer was it hasn’t been decided.
• Is the current plan to convert all issued MAID to SAFE on Day 1?

@Melvin

there’s a lot of support for “freebies”,

I’m not too sure who you’re talking about here, please provide names if there’s that much support.

David, here:

Farming Rewards, free space for new users, and processing power rewards

I agree this would be best, initially the issue will be distributing enough safecoin for folk to jump start the network though. If there were enough farmers and some clever marketing/seed rounds then perhaps we can get momentum. I will write about this sometime, but there are a few pretty neat options for us.

If public data is 75% cheaper to attract more users with a lower price, why not completely eliminate the cost of uploads to attract even more users?

Also many others in topics like these:

Price difference between public and private data

Public data upload price is planned to be 25% of private data upload price. After thinking about it for some time, I don’t think charging differently is a good idea for the following reasons: Ideological One of SAFE’s main goals is providing us with digital privacy. More expensive private data prices gives people on a tight budget the incentive to upload their personal data as public data. We’ll essentially be in the same situation as we are right now, where people use services that destroy pr…

Using the SAFE network without money

I have pointed out that the safecoin market cap will be larger with my model. Market cap = total value.

@Melvin

Which leaves the farmers, who according to some aren’t that financially focused,

What or who is your source on this?

Several members said that financial gain isn’t the main focus, for example Fergish below, but I also think happybeing and jreighley elsewhere, although I can’t find those posts at the moment:

The point is that safecoin is an incentive which reduces friction, not one that motivates the project overall.

(From Risk of Safecoin making the SAFE network fragile - #18 by fergish)

@anon40790172

So for a number of weeks/months the network will be up and running without Safecoin.

If it runs without Safecoin but on test network (or whatever it’s called now) and data would be discarded, that won’t produce meaningful results (people will behave uneconomically since it won’t matter).
If it runs without Safecoin but on real network (that is, on which you can lose reputation if you delete or destroy your vault), then it’s different.

@neo

But also there is no assurances that the data will not be dumped between updates.

Exactly. And it may even be better (I’m not saying it would, but it’s a possibility) for the value of the coin to implement it correctly within 2-3 months after the rest of the code is done, than to implement it poorly with these freebies and weird incentives built in from the start.
If vault reputation is built into the code from the start and works in a meaningful way (that is, it somehow matters), then a bad implementation would be harder to fix (because vault destruction would hurt early farmers relatively more).