Public ID's (Discussion)

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We (who care about this project) will shoot ourselves in the foot if we sit back and do nothing.

Maidsafe does not seem interested at the moment so the community should start to take action in proposing a squatter system through the CEP IMO.

Please PM me or @19eddyjohn75 if you would like to help. Thank you.

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@Safety1st Although I agree that we should take action, it’s better to do so together as a community. We can create a community powered publicID auction, I willing to contribute $1000 to that. But all the money generated from this would go to Maidsafe, maybe a little would be set aside to pay for web related costs. Most important to me is that Maidsafe gets money in the kitty.

Sorry i have to go to work, have a nice day everybody:stuck_out_tongue:

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@nicklambert is probably correct, that it is too early to be thinking about this. Better to spend your energy on something else.

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@bitbybit

Seriously, why would MaidSafe or anyone else reserve IDs for current (btw. that changes every second) owners on the clearnet? It really doesn´t make sense to me. A large part of current ownership are domains is risk investment/domain squatting. Then you have corporations that claimed their right to own certain domains because they own a trademark.

I remember opposing the idea to sell publicIDs for several reasons

  1. with close to 0 cost we will see a lot of domain squatting within the first months of the SAFE network. I then expected users to turn towards decentralized DNS and what we currently see as “domains” will be merely cryptic keys. Then of course clear domain names will be irrelevant.
  2. it´s unlikely to provide sufficient funds
  3. we don´t know the precise implementation, there are several RFC for that matter as @dyamanaka has pointed out above

However, I believe I have to reconsider 1 and 2:

  1. I still expect massive domain squatting to take place if the price for registering a publicID is close to 0 or 0. If after few weeks you can´t register more than cryptic keys people may turn towards alternative solutions like pet naming system. However, this doesn´t mean that a ID sale wouldn´t find interested investors. It could even raise the value of clear name IDs.

  2. I think it was @happybeing who raised concerns whether a sale of publicIDs will gather sufficient funds to support development of MaidSafe for more than a month. The main reason why I supported that argument was that we were talking about prices in the Cent-range. The example of Urbit shows that people were willing to pay 200 USD for a project that is even more experimental (although we might have to consider that scaricity is higher in the case of Urbit).

A possible implementation I see (EDIT: I realised @19eddyjohn75 proposed something very similar in this [long] thread :wink:

  1. MaidSafe launches a page where users enter their email and a list of publicIDs they intend to purchase
  2. The event runs in two phases: a public auction and a public sale:
    a) whenever a publicID has been entered at least twice, this ID automatically becomes part of the auction. Users who entered the domain are informed 1 weeks ahead. More to the auction later.
    b) whenever a publicID has been entered only once, the user will be informed 1 week ahead that the ID is part of the public sale. In the public sale all entered domains are openly visible to everyone and cost a fixed price (i.e.100$/ID).

I think this give MaidSafe a decent revenue to finance and scale up their operation.

Regarding the auction I think that Second Price Sealed Bids are the best way to go. Possible implementations:

  1. For each ID a Bitcoin address is created. Users send their bids to the address. The highest amount paid from one address after 4 weeks wins the bid. The remaining bids are refunded. This includes, of course, risks for MaidSafe if something goes wrong with the reimbursement. Since we can expect several thousands of addresses, the handling can become complicated and errors may occur.
  2. An Tullock lottery would certainly prevent the hassle of reimbursement, but can´t be carried out with public BTC addresses.

Certainly there are even better solutions, feel free to add.

In general, @19eddyjohn75, I wonder why you don´t consider making a crowdsale for an ID auctionplatform on the SAFEnetwork? @dirvine stated elsewhere that IDs can be easily transferred, if I remember correctly, so it is definitely possible and certainly a market for buying/selling IDs.

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It seems like MaidSafe has fewer immediate funding issues at the moment with the extra MAID and the price rise from Yuanbao, at least for now. And they seem to be working on many other plans for funding, before having to sell ID’s to people

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Actually @dirvine stated explicitely that selling the coins would be the LAST option to consider, not the first.

Always good (and necessary) to examine diverse ways of funding. I don´t see how this is an argument against considering an ID sale.

EDIT: actually David said earlier they will look into it and that it will become very easy prospectively with data chains. (click)

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Will Public ID’s be used as a SAFE Coin wallet address?

A farmer needs to setup a wallet address when starting a SAFE Vault.

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I do think they have different key pairs as everything has different IDs

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Are you saying a wallet APP would have to create it’s own SAFE wallet address (ID)?

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I am sure you can add your “coin wallet” keys to a wallet app

And its an easy enough function for a vault to ask the network for a new key pair for a coin address when starting. OR it can use one that is given it from config or the user. No need for complexity.

Then when one opens an account they can supply that key pair as the coin address and use one coin to start storing (and store permanently the account)

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Hello Everyone!

I just finished my installation of MaidSafe on a Mac OS X, (Everything is great!) and I have some questions in regards to the Public ID.

  1. Question: I have a server network with 3 computers. If I install MaidSafe in all three, - Can I create a different public ID for each installation on each computer?

  2. Question: Once a public ID has been created, - Can I change my public ID to other one? or If I am not happy with my actual Public ID, - Is there a way to change it to other one?

Thanks!
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Yes

You can create as many as you want for now (unfortunately via new accounts atm) , it may be limited on release (i.e. you may need to delete an old one to create a new one, with a limit perhaps of 3, but not fixed yet).

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Hi @dirvine ,
Thanks for your response!

I suppose I can use the same (2) passwords for the second installation on the other computer or I have to create 2 different ones?

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At least the first one (account secret) must be different.

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At least the first one (account secret) must be different.

:slight_smile: I find out the hard way! Tried to create the second account using the same password and it did not accept it. Therefore, I do have to create 2 extras passwords for each account! Thanks! :+1:

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  • How one change their public id?

  • Suppose we find out that our public id is someone else business and we do not want to be part of it.

  • Is there a way to change our public id?

Thanks!

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Sounds like an idea.

Might be a bit hard categorising them though. EG 21stcentury of 321somestreet

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CounterParty does something similar… for free are assets named A00000000vanity.
Obviously onion addresses are similarly obscure by default, so random longer address could be free and shorter ones at a price… but it still resolves to how you sell the first round of brands, price could be made prohibitive but is pandering to that risk worth the price all must bare.

I suggested before an alt approach would be to allow vaults to mine namecoin-like access to vanity names. See PublicIDs released as reward for vaults? cf namecoins - #3 by davidpbrown

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KISS Keep it simple (use) SafeCoin :slight_smile:

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KISS is for marketing, not for products.

Using only SafeCoin, just makes it expensive but doesn’t limit the ability of bots to register rapidly many PublicIDs. Any numpty with a few coins can write a bot that would be not very expensive relative to the disruption it would cause. There’s no good reason to reward greed.

You can use SafeCoin as well but preferring vaults that are valuable to the network will strengthen the network. It’s a simple win to ensure the focus at the start is on providing vaults that are useful, rather than being a land grab.