Actually, apart from that comparison, the ANT amount would be interesting to compare over time how it changes with node fullness and network size - if they are tracked and logged anywhere, by anyone?
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I don’t know which is worse, 3m51s upload time for a 1.2mb file or that it cost 20 cents! Are either of these going to be fixed anytime soon do you think?
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Sounds like the gas fee is due to fall, from recent comms from the team.
Upload speed is an issue if you are waiting on it. If it happens in the background asynchronously, much less so. Ofc, it very much depends on context though.
Presumably, the time to get quotes is the slow bit, as uploading to scratchpads is much faster (free to update, so no quotes needed).
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Day 6
- Upload: Failed
- File: “The Call of the Wild” by Jack London
- Upload Cost: 77 cents in ETH, 0.00002044 ANT
- Size: 93,5 MiB
- File extension: .zip
- Upload Speed: -
- Data Address: -
- Download: -
- Upload: Successful on the first attempt
- File: dave.log from the Failed The Call of the Wild upload
- Upload Cost: 4 cents in ETH, 0.000001002 ANT
- Size: 2,7 MiB
- File extension: .log
- Upload Speed: 1m 26s
- Data Address: 9b681801e62cbf8b131facd72db91f5e2efb85a49a2053aa10f6a41ecb2fca8b
- Download: Successful
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I tried to pay for the transaction again from another computer for the entire The Call of the Wild.zip file 93,5 MiB and this time it cost me only 22 cents in ETH but it failed to upload again. So I’ll upload it in parts in the next few days.
Day 7
- Upload: Successful on the first attempt
- File: Part 1 from “The Call of the Wild” by Jack London
- Upload Cost: 14 cents in ETH, 0.000007977 ANT
- Size: 11,1 MiB
- File extension: .mp3
- Upload Speed: 6m 52s
- Data Address: 73fe2e6c496f99a7765ffdc8d4547f95514698757bf8bad3b239c68ed8f378cf
- Download: Successful
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Hey,
I’m not sure if you saw my reply to you on Discord.
Mick and Qi identified some issues with Dave that need to be fixed. The problems with the uploads are from the quotation process.
I would advise waiting for a new release, which should hopefully be soon.
About gas fees.
There will be a release soon for the single-node payment scheme which should cut them by about 2/3rds, but we are also researching a completely new mechanism that will reduce them very significantly. It’s high priority and being worked on now.
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Can you quantify what this is approximately? Are we talking 75% reduction from here? 90%? 99%?
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Not yet. Like I said though, this a top priority, so you won’t have to wait too long.
I think it’s safe to say we are talking about weeks, not months.
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Oh yes, I saw it, sorry I didn’t mention it here. I plan to continue uploading small files because I really like it and it works well, and when there is a new version of Dave, I will upload larger files!
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Well, for what we’re looking at, it will depend on the size of the file but anywhere between -67% and -99.99997% reduction in gas fees. The bigger the upload the bigger the savings.
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I may be splitting hairs here, but do you mean that -67% on top of that -67% that comes from paying single node only? I’m very excited about these news! 
Na, sorry, I mean from where we are now. There still needs to be one transaction (and therefore gas) for a single chunk of course.
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Sounds good anyway!
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That really sounds like one node is paid for the upload. Whole file? or per approx 250 records?
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Seems like a decent strategy. It’s continuing the approach of a lottery for which the cost of a ticket is to be a 'good node '.
The question will be whether nodes can fake this, so I guess Autonomi feel the approach is worth testing against reality.
Good news either way will I expect be a boost in people uploading large files which is good: more data uploads.
However, it will have a variable impact on apps depending on what they need to store permanently.
Overall, very welcome but not as good as getting off the block (ball and) chain altogether. Haemorrhaging so much value that could stay in the network will drag it down until that’s fixed - and we’ve been told that’s no longer going to be fixed. 
So no, this is not about us being obsessed with native token, until it’s explained why that’s not an issue.
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well - to be fair less TXs needed to pay for largish uploads and prevent spamming the DAG/DBC…/network-store with whatever TXs wouldn’t be a bad thing either
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None of the above! Just wait and see my friend all will be revealed.
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Day 8
- Upload: Successful on the first attempt
- File: Part 2 from “The Call of the Wild” by Jack London
- Upload Cost: 26 cents in ETH, 0.000004893 ANT
- Size: 10,3MiB
- File extension: .mp3
- Upload Speed: 6m 35s
- Data Address: 2a45a3eb4e9cc1cc713a1aedcb6ac2cfe1a0feb45a02aa3db4d2423dfe48f77f
- Download: Successful
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I’ve been meaning to ask about the limitation of scratchpads.
We pay once for the creation of the scratchpad, then updates are free from then on.
But there must be a threshold or limitation on how much data can be stored, the first thing that will be impacted is user-experience with any apps that start getting heavy on data, among others.
So I expect additional scratchpads (similar to traditional database schema) would then need to be created, would this have a larger up-front cost for such apps, or a cost later on to “expand” your personal profile/data?
Apologies if this is already well documented elsewhere.
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