Limit the number of nodes per account?

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Reminds me of when online services such as AOL represented themselves as the internet.

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I was using the term “account” in a very imprecise way. Let’s forget about “account” for now—it might not be relevant to what I’m trying to bring to the table as a political, philosophical, and technical discussion. For the moment, there’s no “account,” but rather a wallet address. Let’s call it a wallet or an ID.

When you run a node, are we obliged to have an ID, or is it optional? Can I run a node without being part of the “farming reward system”?

Whether it’s obligatory or not, it seems obvious to me that individual nodes can be identified and tracked; otherwise, we couldn’t distribute rewards. So, I assume that nodes have some sort of ID. This ID can be linked to another type of ID, such as an Ethereum address. There’s a function on the network that measures node activity and distributes rewards accordingly. Rewards don’t just fall randomly from the sky: there’s a function for the attribution/distribution of rewards, based somehow on some kind of ID, so that the person running the nodes receives the respective rewards.

So, if:

  1. Nodes have IDs.
  2. Node activity can be tracked.
  3. Someone (via an ID or account) can receive rewards based on this activity.

We can imagine a system in which:
Rewards are limited for each ID/account (let’s call it NRID, or Node Runner ID):

  • To obtain an NRID, you’ll need to go through a multi-validation process:

    • SMS (for account creation only, similar to Signal or ProtonMail registration).
    • Email.
    • Crypto wallet address.
    • IP address.
    • Biometric data?
    • Social network account?
    • Other ingenious methods?
    • You might say: “This won’t be anonymous!” But I imagine we could use zero-knowledge proofs or similar cryptographic magic to preserve privacy.

  • The number of nodes per NRID is limited:

    • Nodes will communicate only with validated nodes:
      • Validated nodes: Nodes associated with an NRID.

This subject might be very important now as we see the millions of nodes propagate. Rewards going to some large entities that dont really need it. This money could have better uses, dont you think ?

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But I can still have hundreds or more of the NRID

About the only thing that’d limit most people is the SMS, but then there are many people who simply do not have phones (children, older people, many others)

But the rest would allow the ones you are trying to limit to still have 1000’s of NRID

And the ones you are not trying to limit will be leaving traces of their identity with some authority in charge of this. And one of the fundamental goals of the network is to have the level of entry extremely low. And to have no system of prevention for running nodes. This is like a red flag to many and barrier to entry for many others.

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You are assuming that rich people could avoid limitation. Maybe. Maybe not. Lets be ingenious ! Is your opinion technical or ideological ?

If you are interested in running a node, you probably already have a computer and a phone. Those who havent, either they are doing very well without our globally catastrophic capitalist industrial technology, or they have priorities way more important than having access to run an autonomi node

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No, I am implying the ones you think need to be limited, the ones running a too many nodes. Too many for any one person to be allowed to run, in your opinion.

Why? How many kids do not have phones, should we exclude this class of people? Maybe where you come from every person who has a laptop, computer, mobile device also has a phone. What of the kids given a school laptop to use because they are too poor to have one.

You have made many assumptions and willing to have gatekeeping in order to limit some people you declare as not being allowed to run (so many) nodes.

It is the people who can run so many nodes that can also bypass all your gatekeeping and get 1000’s of your IDs and run all the nodes they want just the same. So what do you achieve with all the complexity, gatekeeping and controls? I suggest nothing other than raise the barrier to entry and reduce the number of legit nodes while increasing the power of those you want to limit.

In the USA, have a guess when the most alcohol per adult was consumed, yes during the period they made it illegal. Also applies to other things outlawed like drugs and so on. The point is that these gatekeeping methods only stop the ones willing to be stopped.

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Yes, and quite easily, a few years ago I had a telecom license in Bulgaria and a numbering plan with 5000 numbers cost 0.125 eurocents per number per year, I’m sure there are cheaper ones around the world…

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Have you explored the “multi-validation” and the “lets be ingenious” part ?

*** replying to @Dimitar

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I’m not saying that there won’t be such attempts in one of the hundreds of copies of Autonomi once it’s proven as a technology. I’m just saying that the likelihood of them failing is huge.

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Are you serious ? Kids should have access to a decent education, to a good community, to healthy food and water, to a decent psychotherapy, to a decent hospital, to green areas, to nature. How many kids care about running an autonomi node ? to do what ? to earn almost nothing cause all the big players get most of the rewards ?

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Firstly I did not say or imply kids should have have those things, how dare you claim I said they should not.

And reality, kids include teens, and yes they can. 60 years ago as a kid I very much would have been into that. Yea, it was unusual for kids to be in computers back then, programming on main frames etc. BUT today its the norm for kids to be into computers starting at like 3 to 6 years old. Programming kits for 5 year olds.

Anyhow with that claim you made I doubt I will be answering you again with that.

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I didnt say that you said it or imply it. Just reacting to "should we exclude this class of people ? ".