Did you see this?
I restarted my nodes a few days ago and earnings have fallen off a cliff.
The carrot and stick incentives may require turbo boost going forward.
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Most of my nodes are running since the 0.3.8 release, rest at least one week with no restarts.
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Mine are nearly a week old and are doing fine in every way except emissions.
Maybe your issue is different but mine are in the doldrums, something silly like 3 ANT in total since the restart.
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I donāt run thousands of nodes on a single machine.
I run many small machines.
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Well, if the whale(s) manage to upgrade keeping their node IDās, everyone else coming after them are likely not going to earn that much.
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I guess thatās left 100% to your judgement on how valuable your time and effort is and how patient you are 
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Yeah, I just didnāt know. Thats not a problem, this is a recent discovery. Most folk are not going to do it easily though.
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hm? launchpad and antctl both do proper upgrades - right? so only people running hundreds or thousands of nodes might feel being in trouble ..? whale-size begins where?
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This is true upgrade is perfectly fine for a reasonable amount of nodes.
If someone is running thousands on a single machine they should not expect standard tools to work very well.
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And I donāt feel the slightest bit sorry for anybody in that situation - if you run that amount of nodes you better know what you do and make sure you donāt hurt the networkā¦
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I think we find ourselves in a crazy situation that is unlikely to happen again.
New rules and correct emissions should prevent this madness from recurring.
We should just restart entirely.
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Well, who did? Who could have, when the rap has been that node age does not matter?
And then David just drops it like āwell of course it mattersā.
Honestly, Iām very angry about being mislead this way. I would have kept my nodes online, had I known that the age matters.
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As long as uploads are not working and everyone thinks they need to run billions of nodes on a raspberry pi (and it āworksā ==the nodes get paid) then weāll be in exactly this situation again in no timeā¦
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Iām not, we are all learning. The silly size of network is not helping.
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The way I read it is that itās just the property of Kademlia based network, that older nodes are better known. And that it is always going be that way. But Iām not sure.
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We didnāt see this coming?
Well no I didnāt, there wasnāt enough rime to consider the effect of how emissions get distributed now vs the old method we all had time to consider for years.
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Even if so, if it takes a week or 2, is it really a issue? If they never get seen then sure it is a issue.
My restarted nodes started getting records pretty fast, so why not emissions.
I donāt even pretend to understand why it differs.
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And I have a hard time believing that all those servers out there are responsive and fast when people log in and fire commandsā¦ But then again I think itās the networks job to throw out slow nodesā¦ Not the peopleās job āto do the right thingāā¦
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Note that some old nodes were also getting mobbed by relay clients. It wasnāt all sunshine and roses for old nodes.
I had to leave 2 boxes off to shake off the relay duties, as they were being crushed. From around 400 nodes to 10. Earnings reflected that too.
So, swings and roundabouts, in my experience.
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No but the disproportion in the earnings of the old nodes that @Dimitar has been reporting seems to be hinting that the advantage of the age just keeps on cumulating. (Again: maybe, perhapsā¦)
That might be a good thing too, making the network more stable. Or it might be bad thing if the proportion of data and everything given to new nodes is just getting too small.
In any case, I think this should have been known by the folks designing the network just based on a theoretical knowledge how these things work. And communicated out properly.
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