Latest Release March 20, 2025

“pure bastard” is not a valid English connection of words.

Its a bastard once you try to correct people’s use of words, grammar. Then people pick on you too. And I am sure you will tell me its valid. My bad for pointing out being a grammar cop has 3 fingers point back at you when pointing at someone else.

:rofl:

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I know.
Thats the joke…

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Right on cue

Anyhow, I submitted my question on the sense of such high emissions while uploads are not working and working worse for the last couple of versions. Have you? (as in all you who think it should be lower)

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An Aussie arguing with a Scotsman about the English language.

Colonisation isn’t dead :rofl:

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@rusty.spork had barely hit return on the announcement of the form before I had mine in :slight_smile:

There are two lines of err, err carrot-wielding with extreme predjudice I want to examine…

  1. Reducing emissions to a tiny fraction of their present value
  2. Delaying payment of accrued emission rewards until some threshold is reached. The idea being that the actual emission payments are of no great financial value to anyone except the whales/sharks/ocotopi whatever and that messing with their cashflow is one of the few weapons we have.
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We know this all too well, Mr Ex Welsh Person :slight_smile:

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Is that really going to help. If they know they are getting “X” ant on a certain day then they will just continue running nodes and jump on the payout to sell it immediately into the higher prices

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I should look into possible Scottish ancestry. :innocent:

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It might help if we only paid out once every two months and then only if the value of the payment was >$5000 equivalent.

The rest of us can wait until the whales are wiped out and be rewarded with our emissions payments later.

AND we would save a wheen of gas as well.

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My ancestors are Scottish and Welsh. So there. I am fair dinkim not of English heritage.

And the last Royal I shook hands with is dead, Didn’t shake the Queen’s hand just her Hubby’s hand

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Why are we not simply keeping emissions tied to rewards.
You get a bit on top of your reward for storing data.

That was perfect.

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No thanks, we have quite enough retired English here already poncing off the Scottish NHS and depriving young Scots of affordable housing.

We may make an exception if you navigate your rust bucket as far north as it will go though and promise to only park it on the Forth&Clyde canal. The Crinan Canal is too pretty to let colonists on it.

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Would be if two things were occurring.

  • uploads were working and not paying nodes many times to store the one chunk. Retrying causes multiple payments for the one chunk
  • And they put into the node code some callback to their servers to indicate the node received a payment. And that brings up two problems
    • tracking of nodes
    • modifying nodes to keep reporting they got a payment. Or modifying the client to report the node they paid if clients do the reporting.
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It may well be we cannot fully solve this with code changes to antnode - in a reasonable timeframe

So we need to employ fiscal tactics.

Had we been only paying out once a week or something then those who jumped in with many many nodes on Day 1 would not have been able immediately (twice a day) sell their ANT and buy more servers thus exponentially increasing the no of purported nodes.
Purported in that they did nothing for thenetwork but plenty for their earnings.

We have asked nicely for the whales to upgrade their nodes. They refused so now it is time to be not so nice.
I really CNGAF what it said in the White Paper and any promises given or implied. The future of the whole project is at stake and we need to take considered action that results in booting the useless nodes one way or another.
And @dirvine gets to see what happens when 80% of nodes disappear. Which will doubtless be instructive. We should shed no tears for these nodes, they are of zero benefit to the network.

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I am super excited about dev net. If it works as we hope and proves that the issues with main are overzealous sharks, then obvs the team have only one option which is to tackle the problem.

We are kind of guessing now.

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Nobody really complained (did they?) about being asked to wait until TGE before we got paid out on the work we did for the Sepolia Network.
Why then should anyone complain about being asked to wait a few months until they get paid out on the emissions?

I’d like to see a shark modify the antnode code so that he continues to get paid twice daily instead of waiting a couple of months.

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But they still could, these people are probably well enough funded to carry the costs for a month.

While no payout the market price will likely rise significantly and when they get their weekly/monthly payment they immediately sell into a much higher price and earn even more. Do it via a bot so sell is within seconds.

Delaying payments is going to do little to reduce node numbers. Or even lag the increase by much. During beta people were running 10’s of thousands of nodes even when 30 nodes would kill my 400+ node (now) SBC

The best way is to pause the WP amounts and reduce emissions a lot so we start getting the network that was being designed. The emissions is just to release new token into the market. And as such is not a design issue but one of rates on release, so can be changed. What we have is not the designed network but a money making network, a crypto project if you will. No data being stored, so not a data storage network, just a crypto network at the moment

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I fully agree, put any stop in place that works. I just feel it will be done faster when there is no doubt.

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Well there is only one way to find out. All the more reason to announce that the payouts will be at 3-monthly intervals.

Edit: And then “unforseen circumstances” delays the payout some more.
A bit of a PITA to your average home node-runner but quite possibly fatal to a shark.

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I also fear that the small node runner is more likely to not run nodes if they cannot see anything for 3 months. The crypto sharks who hit all new mining opportunities are well enough funded to run 3 months without payout. The small person is already leaving with such a small chance of a payout.

The best stick is the amount of emissions being drastically reduced until uploads are working well. Not the number of emissions units just the size of them. Reduced number of crypto mining shark nodes means the small node runner sees more emissions payouts and more likely to keep running even if the payouts are much smaller

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