Creating this thread to explore the idea of an ALWAYS free cloud hosted testnet using sn_testnet_tool
STEPS:
)Initial convo of people that might be interested
@Josh @tfa @Southside @Vort
STEP 1
identify the best free tier cloud offering
Quick research, I have to admit, but my findings below:
ALWAYS Free Hosting offers:
Gearhost
Up to five free CloudSites
1 vCPU each
100MB of storage space each
1GB of bandwidth
one daily CPU hour - NOT SUITABLE?
AWS
750 computing hours a month - NOT SUITABLE??
Heroku
512 MB of RAM and 2 process types (equal to 1 vCPU)
The free cloud instance is not always on, and you’ll have to turn it back on after 30 minutes of inactivity - NOT SUITABLE
Google cloud
US only - NOT SUITABLE
Azure
Only 12 months free? - NOT SUITABLE
DO
Always free not available? - NOT SUITABLE
Oracle Cloud
2 AMD based Compute VMs with 1/8 OCPU** and 1 GB memory each.
4 Arm-based Ampere A1 cores and 24 GB of memory usable as one VM or up to 4 VMs.
2 Block Volumes Storage, 200 GB total.
10 GB Object Storage.
10 GB Archive Storage.
Resource Manager: managed Terraform.
** 1 OCPU on x86 CPU Architecture (AMD and Intel) = 2 vCPUs; 1 OCPU on Arm CPU Architecture (Ampere) = 1 vCPU
Best, and actually only option from my research, Oracle Cloud, with the added advantage that is manages through Terraform, which from what I can see is the base od sn_testnet_tool
Waiting if any comment before going to step 2…
I doubt any paid service would ask for less, but fair enough…
It’s the “after” part that annoys me too.
Oracle is a horrible company - but can you not just give them fake info?
In the text below form Oracle tells that not every phone number is fine for them.
They may want to talk with you (!).
I think it means that phone numbers, which are shared on various websites, are blocked.
If someone finds source of non-blocked ones, it may be useful to give them a try.
Is the priority here a free tier testnet or adapting the tool to use a free tier.
Not sure, but you’d think being able to launch a community based testnet with no hosting fees would be a good thing. Also, being able to join an existing testnet with a number of nodes for free would surely be good. Either way, adapting the tool would be necessary.
Edit:thinking about this more, launching a few nodes to join an existing testnet doesn’t really require any complicated script…so this is really about bootstrapping a testnet on a free cloud service. Reality is that achieving that would mean having a script that could also easly enable others to join that network with the same free service
I think a fully free testnet is a stretch too far at this time, unless enough of us were ready to let Oracle have some info. A testnet free for most participants may be viable, again at a cost of privacy and some higher-spec instances to get us started - which is after all what we have had before with Maidsafe fronting up.
We pretty soon run into limitations on all the “free” offerings and this is entirely to be expected. Its capitalism, baby, TANSTAAFL.
None of the above should be a stopper for adapting the tool to use the “free” offerings but I doubt a viable bootstrappable network can be done for £0.00 at this time. How many droplets of what spec were used to kick off the previous testnets? How much would a few of us have to chip in to get sufficient resources to bootstrap a network? I dont know but I have a gut feeling that if 5-6 of us committed to £30-50 each for the first month, we might get something worthwhile using AWS.
Good leeway to STEP 2:
Assuming Oracle offer at this stage (no better options have been presented) this is what we are talking about:
4x
Arm Ampere A1 OCPU
6 GB of memory
65 GB max disk space
OR
1x
Arm Ampere 4 OCPUs
24 GB of memory
250GB max disk space
How many nodes can be safely launched on such a infrastructure for the purpose of a testnet?
Is that enough to bootstrap a testnet?
If not, how many combined accounts would be required to achieve that?
Some benchmarks and info:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.storagereview.com/review/oci-ampere-a1-compute-review%3Famp
Looking at performance, all cores are capable of running at 3Ghz consistently. Each core comes with its own 64KB L1 I-cache, 64KB L1 D-cache, and 1MB L2 D-cache.
This is where my thoughts are going and why I ask if adapting the tool or starting a network with free resources is the priority.
Starting a network manually without the use of the tool is perfectly doable and relatively easy but it will require some collaboration in getting the first few nodes running.
Exactly. Something that can get explored by say 5-6 or more of us sufficiently committed in a seperate thread perhaps?
A clear set of instructions to bootstrap a testnet would definitely be a much easier path than adapting the testnet tool. It was actually your going through the sn_testnet_tool path @Josh that made me think this might be the way.
Manually launching a bootstrap node plus a few more nodes through a set of commands should definitely be not too hard.
Question about how many nodes could safely run on a free instance is still relevant though.
If network can be started by adding nodes one-by-one, then it is interesting possibility, which should be explored.
We may find more bugs this way. And can hope that developers will find them interesting enough to start the chase.
We’ll just need to suck it and see - once we have standardised centralised ( 
) logging in place.
Disclaimer: I did something daft last night and have broken my barebones ELK stack - actually the underlying k8s and etcd - I’ll report back later.
This is how I did it prior to exploring the tool. Definitely possible, I shared a couple of networks started this way on the forum in the past which others joined so it creates a usable network.
I mean that it may be possible for user #1 to add node #1, for user #2 to add node #2 … until network can be considered as “started”.
No specialized hosting will be required in such case.
What Kubernetes are you using @Southside ?
I’m in
Client Version: version.Info{Major:“1”, Minor:“22”, GitVersion:“v1.22.2”
Still not got the server running again after messing up etcd somehow and several re installs
Been even more distracted than usual, Don’t tell @Sascha but I was stuffing a chicken 
Trad skirlie with extra garlic and thyme seeing you asked , thanks
