This part is the key. What we should be Marketing here as a community is Safe the network. MaidSafe the company has a ton of stuff happening and many meetings, investors, partners, recruiters, projects, contractors and more. It’s a company and it’s not the Safe network The network is what we should all be “marketing” and in many different ways. I saw Ethereum go mental with huge uncoordinated marketing from many different parties in many different countries.
Every message does not need to go out with “endorsed by MaidSafe” and it shouldn’t. We are not in charge of the network and don’t want to be, we are working day and night to create an autonomous thing and even encourage competition for MaidSafe the company.
Perhaps it’s a re-focus we need here. In many ways to give freedom to folk, look at @Dimitar he is out and about, on Facebook and all over the place putting out the word. You @Sotros25 are doing the same in other places. Others will and I hope should. Some will focus on cash, some greed, some fairness, some freedom, but the peoples network has to make room for everyone and we should. MaidSafe cannot do this and that shackle is good for legal protections of shareholders in many ways, but it’s a shackle.
Then there is a community group happening, I have seen some videos of meetings discussion Safe and they are great, but they discussed Safe, not MaidSafe, even though a MaidSafe person was there. I think this confusion will cause friction and seems to be doing so, but it is very easily resolved.
Would it not be amazing if Safe were out and about and nobody cared about MaidSafe? I think it would. This does not mean we ditch our investors, ignore our supporters, quite the opposite it means we did that job we set out to do and the network is out there, free and working.
I’m here for the next 20 years and there’s no problem for me if I’m wrong about some of the things I believe are necessary as a Safe strategy for success. I will correct my actions in motion when I receive new information. Glad to be here for this adventure with you David, the MaidSafe team and the whole community!
Not sure if it’s been pointed out yet but the quote was quoting a small snippet that when the reader sees it comes off as a matter of fact statement that is actually out of context. So the only way you see it in context is if you already read it or expand the quote. The critique isn’t pointed just a clarification.
You are working with extremely highly respected MBA program to help with marketing? Is this to market the Safe Network of Maidsafe?
Nobody said every message has to be endorsed by Maidsafe. It just strange that Maidsafe is so reluctant to publicly endorse their own creation on the regular. What’s the point of spending time and money on an MBA expert if Maidsafe isn’t going to market in the network in a big way? Is there a formal marketing plan at Maidsafe backed by this expert?
Who is creating this shackle? What legal rules prevent Maidsafe from publicly promoting the network? People naturally expect Maidsafe to promote their creation. It harms the public’s view of the network. Why aren’t they promoting it? People ask me. When is the marketing campaign going to start? They ask.
How about reaching out to Lex Friedman and putting in an hour of your personal time for publicly promoting the Safe Network? You can make it clear you’re speaking on behalf or yourself and not Maidsafe. Please take more public role in promoting the Safe Network. I understand you’re busy but so is everybody. Lex Friedman is huge and should not be taken lightly.
I think you have completely missed my point here. What I said was not an argument, it was the same vision we have had for years.
They are not mutually exclusive but the point is they are not completely inclusive either
UK Business act 2006
Well, there are a few things that every company should be aware of. Of course, we all know that. If you think for a split nanosecond we will not promote this then you have misunderstood a lot about rock and roll
I am not really going to answer inflammatory remarks. I thought this was behind us? It seems there are a few folks who demand MaidSafe act in a certain way and I am afraid that is never going to happen.
I am sorry if there are a few folk who feel helpless in controlling the MaidSafe narrative here, but the Safe network is for us all. MaidSafe the company is not that and it cannot be controlled by others and I hope I have made that made clear enough. I will not answer any more on this point now. It’s time to call a halt to this line of discussion.
We are 100% exactly where we need to be and we have achieved something quite incredible and another few iterations are needed. Yes, that’s right, nose on the grindstone, bum in air! Right now this is the path we are on. Safe the community are much freer to act as they wish and of course, folk in the MaidSafe team, many of whom are also investors in MAID will join in as they can. If that’s not enough then I am afraid it’s all we have at this point in time
If you are working with an MBA Expert could you pass along their expertise as to what we the community should do? This way we can use our personal time and the leverage of the expert. Are they keen on Maidsafe being in the background of promoting the network publicly?
You say UK Business Act of 2006 but Maidsafe promoted the network publicly after 2006. What has changed? There are videos of you talking about the network. Are we to expect you are not going to be the face of the public push as you were in the past?
Nobody is trying to control Maidsafe. It looks strange and gives off a weird vibe that the inventor of the network will refuse a huge invite like Lex Friedman. To say you are too busy to someone like this seems like you are putting yourself before the goal of spreading public awareness. I asked you to take personal time. Not Maidsafe’s. Consider the time of people in the last 6 months who’ve been promoting this network. You should join them. I promote it personally whenever I have the chance. Every time.
I’m not trying to make inflammatory remarks. I’m showing the frustration of many investors. I’m not the only one who can’t understand the plan for marketing and promotion. Naturally we look to the leader of this project and we hear conflicting statements about what “Singing from the rooftops” is going to look like.
Has he been invited by Lex? Not that I’m aware of. I don’t think it’s as easy as you make out. I think it will become somewhat easier once the Network is on its legs though.
I believe the sooner we have actual SNT and can begin to remove MAID from the picture we will enjoy much of the rejuvenating effects of a rebrand without an actual rebrand. Until then, MaidSafe and Safe Network are essentially competing for recognition in the eyes of the uninitiated.
I also actually hope that we not only continue the live Safe Chats, but expand them as a community and host them at least once a week in the future. More visible, regular engagement by the community will be hugely beneficial in focusing on Safe and sharing the vision.
I am watching and networking with YouTubers—who share many of our values—absolutely blow up overnight with consistent engagement, thought provoking interviews and unique content. People thrive on this stuff.
@Sotros25 is doing a phenomenal job of coordinating things and I hope she continues to do so as we are still missing out on the real opportunities that social media platforms can provide. Building relationships and expanding our audience should be a top priority. Many of the same folks who can give us a platform are also the same folks literally screaming for solutions that only Safe can offer. It’s almost criminal, but certainly marketing malpractice, to not reach out to these people.
For whatever it’s worth, in addition to being a longtime community member and diehard supporter, I also happen to be a retired marketing executive who would be more than happy to donate my time in any way I can.
I am out of this conversation now, but want to point out something that may be misunderstood.
The companies act of 2006 does not prevent Marketing (that would be unthinkable). It lays out the laws related to doing business for UK companies.
What that means is you cannot make false statements, forward looking statements, public-ally solicit equity investments and much more (about 1200 pages more). Those are the shackles. So not prevented marketing but you have laws to be aware of and cannot go about saying anything.
The community and Safe are not shackled like that and can be more care free, but MaidSafe could not promote, encourage or condone that. I hope that clears up that misunderstanding. So UK companies can do Marketing, sell goods and get into partnerships, but there are legal requirements on all of these things.
As for the other points, as I say I am out of the convo there. I don’t agree with your points and won’t agree to expose those contacts in that manner.
Safe the community are bigger and better than that. We really are, every single one of us, even though we can disagree, let’s never demand!
I as an investor and a lender to Maidsafe am frustrated with all these demands that other people make to Maidsafe / David regarding how they use their time. Maidsafe owes me considerable amount of money that they are going to pay me in the form of the tokens that are going to be used inside the Network only. I want them rather sooner than later, and I really like it when the limited hours are used to make the Network happen.
I’ve “demanded” nothing! It is insulting to suggest I did and that’s on the accuser not me for asking.
We are supposed to have an open community where we can ask questions. Maidsafe is supposedly transparent so asking does no harm. But as we know that is bullshit.
I’ve never in my life seen such a strange approach to marketing world changing technology. I think if you were to consult Marketing Experts worldwide you’d find them scratching their heads at the approach. Hoping it will work is usually not good enough in the real world.
My questions were considered inflammatory and demanding. It was suggested that I was trying to control Maidsafe.
Maybe there should be clear boundaries about what can questioned.
Spending an hour on Lex Friedman’s show would have gone a long way at public exposure. When he suggests he’d like to talk then it is up to the person he asking to make plans to make it happen. Saying I don’t have time and making Lex work around the project is just insulting to Lex and his time. Lex was generously offering up his audiences ears and eyes. Oh and by the way I asked for an hour. I did not demand it. I asked about marketing. I did not demand it. When I saw a marketing expert was being consulted I asked for techniques to be passed on to the community. I did not demand it. I was denied and that’s fine but suggesting I was demanding is screwed up.
Preparing for an hour of interview is going to take many hours, I suppose.
Yes, I am sorry, my mistake. I cut some corners there. I am just tired of seeing these repeated questions presented to the man, who has many times recently told us that he is tired, exhausted even. You have not demanded anything in a literal sense, but I think there has certainly been pressure for David / Maidsafe to use more time for marketing. And it seems to me that the motivation is to get the price of MAID up. I certainly wouldn’t mind the price rising, but a very large part of the MAID I had is now lent to the Maidsafe, and I won’t benefit from that rise so much compared to some others here. Because I funded this company in the time of trouble.
But again, I’m sorry for misrepresenting your words. My intention was only to oppose the view that Maidsafe should at this time use more resources for marketing. And I speak just on my own behalf.
You do read as if you are trying to oblige, where you have no right to do so; suggesting what you “know” in a manner that is confrontational.
If you are an expert in marketing, then you suck at putting your message across in an attractive way. Dividing people and forcing your will, is not a way to encourage consensus or win people over.
First the product and then the marketing “experts” can have their day. It’s better use of limited resources to spend time focused. It’s a tactic of those who would bring us down, to burn time of core devs and the leadership team in Maidsafe.
Read your own posts… you’re trying to tell Maidsafe what to do, which is presumptious.
What is the cult of Lex Friedman …
Should, is just an opinion and does not win an arguement.
The focus should be on the product, then the marketing can follow… and is much easier when there is something to evidence… you just have to point at it… any “expert” can do that… and there are so many!
in return for MaidSafeCoin made available by the MAID Holder under these funding terms the Company will, subject to successful launch of the Safe Network and release of SafeCoin to the Company’s shareholders and as soon as practicable thereafter transfer to a wallet specified by the MAID Holder, such number of SafeCoin as shall be equal to 150% of the number of MaidSafeCoin received from the MAID Holder under these funding terms;
