interesting problem if that is the case and im sure the team will come up with a solution to nullify it as its an attack vector in the wild.
but us having a civil war with each other is not helping
release candidate 4 just dropped time to try some uploads 
Why not? We have already identified one of the guilty. Until he can show his claimed 20k nodes are running v0.3.7 then he is GUILTY of holding us back.
And I have a strong suspicion he has a LOT more than 20k nodes running between himself and associates.
So just like VVP, we wonāt be signing any premature ceasefires just yet.
Yeah I really donāt understand the arguments against your position, I am curious to know why there is such a resistance to just blocking old nodes. As it stands the network has a serious security exploit and it needs to be plugged. Its now pretty obvious this is an attack akin to a DDos . Updating the network to block old nodes - if its an option wonāt that become decentralized decision like forking ? I donāt see how that is a centralization problem anymore than the network is already centralised through token issuance etc.
IIUC @chriso correctly, until a majority of nodes are running that version it CANNOT make much difference.
I have no doubt that in a closed testnet with all (or most) nodes on the latest release then performance will be a lot better than we have right now. But have we not spent enough time moaning that testing internally on DO datacentres can only test capabilities , not real-life performance?
Agree, if nodes do not upgrade they are bad nodes. It is that simple to me.
Network health should come before all else.
not realy sure how to make sense of this version monitor from the metrics ?
# TYPE ant_networking_node_versions gauge
ant_networking_node_versions{version="old"} 8
ant_networking_node_versions{version="2025.1.2.6"} 22
That would be an ecumenical questionā¦
Ask @chriso for clarification
But thats exactly what we have right now. So ANY fix is justified.
Ok thanks, I guess its just me then. I turned of ublock , I have standard security settings so I donāt have a 'no-script ā changes as far as I know. I tried with fresh librewolf install also, no extensions, disabled ublock, have the same issue. Iāll keep digging. Thanks for the reply
I have been running just 3 nodes for a month solid, upgraded to 0.3.7 when it was released. I have not earned a single nano/attos. I donāt care about the tokens but there is absolutely no incentive to keep the nodes running now, Iām not contributing to the network or the project by doing so - in a sea of 20m its just a waste of energy and resources, its pure pollution now. Iām thinking of shutting down because I believe it serves no purpose at all to anyone, even though I am willing to run for free. Why would anyone who doesnāt have thousands of nodes bother? The āfarmingā side is not for everyday people and I donāt think it ever will be. Running 5 pcs 24/7 with 3 nodes each will be overkill for most people but this will still not be enough to finance uploading anything to the network. Can anyone give me a reason not to shutdown? Even if the upload gets fixed I donāt see one.
And I thought in the civilised world innocent until proven otherwise was a thing
This sounds like a pretty clear admission of guilt to me.
Combinbe that with a blank refusal to state which version of antnode his 20k (and the rest) nodes are running and thats quite enough proof for me.
Just where is this ācivilisedā world of which you speak?
The chancer is waging a DDoS attack on the network and you are queueing up to defend him? Geez peace FFS.
Iām not sure if you mean to ask me? Anyway, running nodes or not is up to you. Iāll keep a few going just to be part of it (12 I think) but have to shut them down to try uploading.
In my book thatās precisely nothing
If I wouldnāt like you I wouldnāt care to answer the local choleric on his random accusation either 
And no matter if you agree or not he has a point (mid to long term) - either the network can deal with people āattacking by not upgradingā or itās doomedā¦
Right now I think Iāve expressed that I would just try to cut off the money flow ā¦
how big are your nodes? Separately, what is the point in running say 1000 nodes that are 1gb each instead of 1 that is 1tb? The former doesnāt seem like a good choice for the network, just a good choice to earn ANT. Am I missing something because the LaunchPad recommends 35gb per node which is doable for a home pc but its not a small amount. What is the ideal sized node for the network? I assume the 35gb was chosen as the ideal size for good reason, because people running thousands of nodes of a few mb each would be a bad idea despite being more profitable.
One node is fixed capacity, 64G. Since the data is spread evenly, that 64 G is really never needed (if it would be needed, the network would be full, and long before that upload price had risen so more nodes would have join)
35G is just 64G/2 + some spare data.
Sorry, that was not aimed at you specifically just a general question, my bad. But since you seem to be running nodes in a small capacity like me perhaps you explain what is the advantage to the network running 1000s of tiny nodes so that they are rewarded more than those running the recommended 35gb default in Launchpad? eg What is to stop someone running 1 million nodes just 1kb in size just for emissions reward, is this possible and if so what effect would this have on the network compared to a single large node of 35gb?
Thats a good one! Do you mind if I keep it?
If it smells like a worm, slithers like worm then AFAIAC its a DDoSing slimeball
Ana ALL that has to be done to refute the above is publish some Ips that can be checked as to which version of antnode is running. The longer the silence continues, the more folk will come around to this thinking.
Do you honestly think that "Innocent until proven guilty " has ANY relevance in todays world?
Nice liberal middle-class thought at one time. Many of us have known for a looong time, thats all it is - a nice liberal middle-class thought with little basis in reality.
ā¦is the Correct Answer.
Now lets see if the team can implement this in a timely manner. Cos as every day goes by, more and more home users are discouraged by lack of earnings AND lack of any perceived action by the team to combat this DDos attack.
And who can blame them?