Currently, there is maidsafecoin which is a counterparty token.
This is a proxy token which will be exchanged at a one to one ratio for Safecoin when the network goes live.
I don’t think its an unfair advantage. There is a live market for the maidsafecoin, and as others have recently noted the price has returned to the IPO price. So if you want the coins you can buy them.
But on a practical level the network would not exist without the crowdsale, so at worst it was a necessary for evil
I have absolutely no idea WTF you are talking about. Please dear God get the mods to check. I am trembling with fear at what they will discover… pfft~ pathetic.
Dude you need to see a therapist, I believe they refer to what you have as schizophrenic paranoia.
Thanks for being courteous and humble…you will really fit in here.
You’re not understanding what I am saying. Im not at all saying that is unfair. I am saying that was SEEMS from the outside as unfair is that they are asking people to jump on board a system and create apps, develop the core and farm out space. But people already have a certain amount of ‘ownership’ (if you can call it that) in this network.
So basically what I am referring to is the time difference and the request on the public to do X when the private and anonymous owners of these coins already own Y amount.
I have said that I am probably wrong. Or I am right. Who knows? Its just an opinion.
That is just how people will view it. Believe me that they will. It is simply an opinion and it is neither right or wrong because we are discussing something that is technically speaking an experiment.
To the others.
I still have no idea what ten minute comment you are banging on about and no I didnt delete it, get over yourselves, im not that self obsessed with being correct (I really could care less). Even if I did say ten minutes, who the f**k cares?
Lets get on with it shall we…
It would actually be hallucinations if it were true. But nope you deleted it , same as you not responding to my comment earlier when i posted it.
Wanna try and say some more stupid stuff?
For standing up for myself to accusations that I deleted stuff that I never even said and that you cant prove I said…? riiiight…
Dude I am not sure what your problem is.
I dont care either way.
I have an opinion. You have an opinion.
Whatever. Get over it.
I’ll no longer be responding to you. Oh and by the way thanks for de-railing the thread.
You are the one who derailed it, i was trying to respond to your questions. you decided to delete a comment and pretend you had no clue what i was going on about.
even with the deleted comment it still stands …you claimed something “flew in the face of what i had said” you are still completely unable to provide any evidence why it flew in the face of what i said. and now you loudly exclaim “i don’t know what you are talking about”
you derailed your own conversation, just like YOU said 2 things that directly contradict each other
By the way, you did say the pre-sale coins were sold in 10 minutes in this comment and you didn’t delete it. I just read this thread. I guess is not big issue, it is just that people can get irritated if someone forget what they said quite quickly. I think both have over reacted.
This is where the confusions lays I think… the ‘10 minute’ remark was made lower down…and not a deletion:
Thanks for the clearing up, i must of scanned over it looking for the number 10 rather than it spelt out. doh
Sorry for the mix up on the comment.
Wonder if he will be back and now understand what i was talking about before he got confused with himself, thought it was an ok discussion before that burst out
I am here.
Yes, wow, geez…I said “ten minutes” oh no. You said I deleted a comment, I didn’t. Guess what I couldn’t give two **** who said what because it doesn’t mean anything.
I’m sincerely sorry if I offended anyone.
On that note here is great video to lighten the moment.
I am sorry to of said you delete something when it was not true.
I was just trying to explain and ask for a explanation to something you had stated. to further the conversation
This is what makes me believe projects like this will succeed. Down to earth people not afraid to look mistakes in the eye and acknowledge them. I just can’t wait to test drive the real safe network to be frank, as they say " talk is cheap 
Look forward to the launch.
Hmm… I don’t know much about MaidSafe yet that could be a possible scenario I guess. What will happen if some huge data center becomes a centralized farm for 50% of the SAFE data? And then when the whole data center shuts down due to electric blackout or any other cause, large parts of the SAFE network go down along with it. Are there any mechanisms in the SAFE network that prevent such scenario?
I have no doubt there will be large commercial farms no matter what anyone says. It’s human nature.
But regarding one farm being 50% of SAFE data. I doubt that.
Regarding the mechanisms for redundancy, from what I have read the network creates more than one copy of the data and distributes that accordingly. I am not sure if that means 2,3, 10, 100 or 1000 copies of the data, Maybe someone else can add to this and explain a little bit better.
Cheers
True, but if a huge data center has a large part of the SAFE data, it will as I understand it hold many complete sets of copies. The XOR addressing of a data chunk doesn’t care about geographical location. So the data center will in many cases hold all redundancy copies for data due to having a large portion of the probability distribution.
“When a client stores a file on the SAFE network, the file is not stored intact on any single vault. Files are shredded into chunks
and each chunk is encrypted. Multiple copies of the encrypted chunks
are then scattered across the network, to many different vaults. When
the client wants to retrieve a file, Maidsafe gathers all of the file’s
chunks, decrypts them and re-assembles them into the original document.
So Bob’s spreadsheet would be broken up and stored across vaults
provided by Alice, Cameron and Dean. Neither Alice, Cameron or Dean
would have a complete copy of Bob’s spreadsheet stored in their vaults.
Vaults on devices like mobile phones and laptops may come and go from
the SAFE network and cannot be relied upon to be connected 100% of the
time. To accommodate for the transient connectedness of these devices,
MaidSafe stores many copies of each chunk. Many copies of each file are
stored on the SAFE network. Additionally, MaidSafe detects when the
number of copies of a chunk has dropped below a minimum threshold and
will create a new copy of that chunk. This action ensures that files are
always available despite the network being inherently unreliable.”
Thats from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaidSafe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaidSafe
When a client stores a file on the SAFE network, the file is not stored intact on any single vault. Files are shredded into chunks
and each chunk is encrypted. Multiple copies of the encrypted chunks
are then scattered across the network, to many different vaults. When
the client wants to retrieve a file, Maidsafe gathers all of the file’s
chunks, decrypts them and re-assembles them into the original document.
So Bob’s spreadsheet would be broken up and stored across vaults
provided by Alice, Cameron and Dean. Neither Alice, Cameron or Dean
would have a complete copy of Bob’s spreadsheet stored in their vaults.
Vaults on devices like mobile phones and laptops may come and go from
the SAFE network and cannot be relied upon to be connected 100% of the
time. To accommodate for the transient connectedness of these devices,
MaidSafe stores many copies of each chunk. Many copies of each file are
stored on the SAFE network. Additionally, MaidSafe detects when the
number of copies of a chunk has dropped below a minimum threshold and
will create a new copy of that chunk. This action ensures that files are
always available despite the network being inherently unreliable.