Will fake news be more of a problem with SAFE or less?

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My point has been lost it seems. Its not that people can do what they are already doing today and creating fake/false footage, but the difference is that Once footage of an event is uploaded it cannot be censored.

The censors are not worried so much by fake news, its just noise to them. BUT uploaded footage of say the Chinese Army killing Uni students. Or footage of when the USA guards fired on peaceful Uni students killing some cannot be censored or removes by the censors.

And this was my point.

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[/quote]footage of an event[/quote]
Wether on Safe or not, immutable or not, we should rapidly learn to change our conception of video footage.
I have been working about 10 years in 3d game graphics production, and I have been witnessing some changes :
In the 80s it took a hollywood studio hangar , high grade cameras and argentic film, an army of highly skilled technicians, lots of time and money to produce vaguely convincing special effects. I think the 19th and 20th centuries gave birth for these reasons to the concept that “if I see footage of something , that something has happened in the real world” ( be it actors in a studio )
. Around 2000 , we ditched the hangar, but you still needed an army of technicians and plenty of money to run a pile of costly computers during weeks, to render much more convincing synthesis scenes. Human characters still had that weird texturing, and you could easily tell the cheating.
About 2010, with the rise of consumer grade GPUs, a home game station produced the same kind of images as a 2000 industry studio, for about 500$ worth of hardware, and in real time. The backgrounds, skies, vehicles and buildings were baffling, but still faces looked weird.
At this point , industry studios with access to time and money started to produce synthesis scenes with human characters that the average joe could not tell from real footage.
Today a gamer PC or a playstation produce realtime scenes with characters that can trick you, not always but rather often.
A little team with a bit of time and money can produce footage of a street event, with crowd action, many highly convincing human characters in just a few days of work.
Big studios with big money can create scenes that you would swear come from the real life, in really lityle time.
Trained neural networks begin to even produce footage on their own, of stuff that never happened.

So today, in my opinion, footage completely lost its value of a testimony that something happened in the real world.

In 2017, when we look at the mainstream, big money TV news, and we see some scene of, say protesters in the street, car accident, whatever politician saying some stuff, or even the guy who presents the news, given the financial interests behind the scene, you can , and should, ask yourself, did this happen, or did a studio produce it from scratch ?
Any motivated guy can produce convincing mobile phone camera footage in their garage with a few GPUs or a 20$ plan in a render farm.

Unfortunately, be it on Safe or not, today video footage doesn’t say anything more than ‘someone wants you to see this’.

Tomorrow we will even have to ask ourselves if an AI dreamed the scene, and it will mean ‘something wants you to see this’.

EDIT : audio is not bad either : look at Adobe VoCo …

EDIT2 : As it has been said higher, Safe will at least allow us to know for sure who that someone is that published the footage. ( or what ! )

EDIT3 : Looks like they made this on purpose to illustrate my point : AI-Assisted Fake Porn Is Here and We’re All Fucked

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In the end with Safe we have uncensorable, non trackable, hardly tailorable, ( anonymous || signed ) , ( fake || true ) news.

Which is really a giant step :slight_smile:

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Mind you this is where I feel SAFE helps because we can have verifiable source (person/company) who uploaded the footage. Yes I realised when I posted that that fake footage is easy enough. My point wasn’t the footage as such but that reporters can upload actual footage that cannot be censored. The fake stuff can be done on the current internet and not much will change. Also footage that is uploaded as it happens in real time is less likely to be faked, maybe biased or not telling the full story but very useful indeed. Still we have to judge everything as we do now.

So the point is that when a genuine piece of footage is uploaded it cannot be censored by the authorities. Since the authorities rarely care about fake footage (unless it hurts the authority) the true news becomes stronger since it is not being censored as it is now. And the fact that we can verify the uploader by their SAFE ID there will be a new band of reporters rising from the crowds and once people realise we can trust them we might even see lots of people getting their news from them and ignoring the fake stuff.

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Yes, I see AI(s) cross checking each other. AI consensus will be a very powerful force. Its like now or a while back in free style chess when no human could beat a stronger AI at chess but a couple humans and a medium AI could prevail against the strongest AI player. And with chess its a dynamic predictive situation on an iterative basis and so the web of AI consensesus will never let up on stuff tracking and refining relentlessly elements humans are not aware of and would have lost interest in- notion of organizational memory and history spreads to a societal memory level its hard to imagine now. It will steal the narrative from elites, and break the machisvellian stuff- if it goes in any way right…

Personally I can’t stand talk of enemies because its projective but I do think 99.999 percent of the world today has a global foe or enemy in petrarchy, just on a self interest basis and really its 100% if people are thinking clearly. And yet I have the feeling the petrarchist are some of the strongest pushers of AI for domination purposes and the petrarchy end game and yet they don’t even interface with Silicon Valley well its like a deep culture clash especially on politics and worse yet for them and their AI arms race is that any real AI good, bad or indifferent, narrow or broad but any SI in particular seems very, very likely to utterly destroy petrarchy immediately. Even at the first level of analysis where solar plus back up is a complete radically more economically efficient total replacement with wind as complement and back up- petrol gets destroyed. AI volitional or not will blow open transparency on this and strip away its propaganda showing its obvious total obsolesence bringing petrarchy and its motives past present and future into the court of public opinion for trial- it may well mean Cheny and Bush at Nurimberg II, and it rule out the false flag business. They aren’t going to be able to use it to bring any kind of parity to the worst possible energy basis (petrol) because it would be convenient to their wealth and power base- on the contrary vacuum energy and other stuff will become obvious. And good luck trying to enforce patent on what machines come up with. It will be in the AI language of machines that write code and we’ll need a high AI to get even an inckling.

So I am sure AI destroys petrarchy as fast is it would plantation slavery of the American South or any fool monarchy like Henry VIII’s but the monarchists are thankfully full spead ahead. AI destroys human hierarchy period.

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Not sure what we’ll be able to do about developmental hierarchy but I think we are served by flattening organizational hierarchy as much as humanly possible so we end up with leaderless organizations that best foster human development.
Teacher-professor-parent these are developmental, but is not our ethical development primarily a means to human development? And maybe that in the end comes down to ethical development more than anything else?

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I agree, I just went through both those books back to back and also Huxley’s Island. Island even better than Brave New World, its like BNW reconsidered.

But if the other person spying the skinny wretch in VR or AR is also wearing a hololense they can see their preference on that person or the other persons preference or the negotiated settlement that the AI can simulate without either party having to go through the negitiation process.

Elites are keeping their children away from electronic mediums net-tv-games-vr-ar-phones…
I think its an insight of digital physics that the it doesnt make sense to lower the resolution of your experience with this stuff.

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Less.

SAFE will eventualy provide or be provided with a workable basic income cryptocurrency and then the incentives to create fake news apart from the occasional prankster will be gone.

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Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day

I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false.

210 years later…what should change with SAFE, is private communication and an anonymity to present information we have in our possession…and that changes everything in ways we don’t know, cause it’s never happened before in history.

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