#noprivacy #err
A distinct lack of intelligence in everything the UK is doing these days…
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A strong use case for SNT over other privacy blockchain-based coins?
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Is this a true alternative to the web, competing with The Safe Network? It is blockchain based seemingly, so won’t it become very slow in the end?
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It’s an alternative. Not very elegant IMO. Doesn’t appear to me to be in the same league as Safe. More like zeronet with a token. Data isn’t broken up and distributed, instead it’s hosted like torrents are and individual hosters can delete it if they don’t like the content.
from their wiki:
Data nodes only the data they choose to have on their node. If the data node views a website, then after viewing it decides they do NOT want to be a peer for that website (they don’t want to host a redundant copy of that website for the website creator), they can subsequently delete the website from their data node, and will no longer hold the data nor continue being a peer for others to download that data.
Data itself isn’t on the blockchain. Not sure what is - perhaps links and token data?
Their method of bringing onboard new minters sounds a bit like a multi-level-marketing scheme - you have to be sponsored.
Also seems to use web portals to access sites and data on the network which I’d guess could be shut down by gov. authorities. - I could be wrong on this point, but didn’t find anything that said otherwise in my quick look at the wiki.
As with torrents it does scale:
Every data node that views a Qortal website, will become a peer for that website by default.
But no data deduplication so it appears to me that they are going to have data bloat and data hosters are going to delete stale data - hopefully not to extinction. I presume though that original poster of data can simply reupload for free as they already paid – it is a pay-once model.
I haven’t found their payment for data model in my quick glance – I’d be worried about that if it doesn’t have a means of dynamically adjusting.
Overall my feeling is it’s much less elegant and less flexible than Safe. Plus they are using blockchain tokens not DBC’s.
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Thanks for the deep dive Tyler, very much appreciated!
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I have returned to Twitter. @The_DarkPill
Freenet 2023 announced and discussed on slashdot.
Freenet, a familiar name to Slashdot readers for over 23 years, has undergone a radical transformation: Freenet 2023, or “Locutus”. While the original Freenet was like a decentralized hard drive, the new Freenet is like a full decentralized computer, allowing the creation of entirely decentralized services like messaging, group chat, search, social networking, among others. The new Freenet is implemented in Rust and designed for efficiency, flexibility, and transparency to the end user.
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It also uses libp2p
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Freenet starts to sound like HoloChain without the token. Holo started out without the token but then shifted to use it to fund and accelerate development which had been slow, but still seemed impressive.
Both projects had good values from what I read and interactions with some members a few years ago but I don’t keep up to date.
A quick search shows that Holo is in beta (since March), although still adding crucial features such as security 
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I remember looking at Freenet a long time ago before I heard of Safe and thought it was a great idea. But I’m wondering how active the development is now. The website for the project seems sparse. I haven’t looked at the Forums.
But anyway, I know things like this and Quortal that @andreruigrok posted about above could be seen as competitors and therefore threats to Safe but I think that other projects like this might drive interest in the ideas and result in more people ending up on Safe once they see it’s the best.
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Actually, it looks like Freenet might have been partially abandoned by the founder in favour of a new project. There is a link on the Freenet site https://freenet.org to a video Watch Ian’s Talk that talks about a new project. In the video he talks about Freenet as being his undergraduate project.
I googled for “locutus network” and:-
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1st link is the github page
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2nd link is a Y Combinator page for it
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3rd link is a seemingly unrelated Javascript related thing
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5th link is the You Tube video above.
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4th link is Locutus - a platform for building decentralized appsSafe Network Forumhttps://forum.autonomi.community › locutus-a-platform-for-buil… from this very Forum! So we have come full circle… It was @Mav who posted it and it has a good summary of Locutus.
His conclusion was:-
“Overall my impression is this will be an interesting project but it’s closer to ipfs or freenet than to safe network or storj or filecoin. The guarantees around security and durability are reduced to achieve much greater simplicity. For what it’s trying to achieve it seems very cool but still a bit too early for me to feel like doing any hacking or testing with it.”
I still think the more the merrier for projects in this space and may the safest one win!
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They can still decline to give you your own money if they don’t like what you are buying 
for your own good of course 
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It appears just from those prices that Filecoin is subsidizing storage. And/Or it’s an order of magnitude easier to join their network and provide storage.
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MaidSafe don’t tweet every day, but when they do it’s a great day!
https://twitter.com/maidsafe/status/1660585968930267136?t=K28RilVi3ZC0osqtuG3g2A&s=19
Privacy. Security. Freedom
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Nice to see that Safe shows signs of life again besides this forum. 
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I was tempted to head back to twitter but was surprised there was not option to reactivate or adopt old name … not that it matters but missed opportunity for them to welcome back how were lost previously. Still, made me hesitate for that moment and saved time in not doing so yet 
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I don’t know if Filecoin is subsidising storage costs in some way but I do know that because of the resource requirements and it being a lot harder to get it going than some things means there are a lot fewer providers but who each provide more than most home users can. That means it’s a lot more centralised than other decentralised storage systems. Datacentre operators are getting into it. The people who run it benefit from economies of scale so it will undoubtedly be cheaper. I don’t know if that accounts for it being a tenth the cost of the others in the list but it will account for a lot of the difference.
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AWS was like 2$ per GB, if there are some giants gaining from centralization it is Amazon and similar. Price of filecoin and similar are clearly providing storage at net cost.
Actually, I think that’s IPFS that I’m thinking of where datacentre operators are getting into it. But I still think that with with the larger scale that Filecoin deployments will be there will be economies of scale for the storage.
But Safe should be cheaper to run because of the lack of a Proof of Work.
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