What’s up today? (Part 2)

[Profess]

What’s up today? (Part 2)

For many, I suspect, that installing one of these OS’s is in the ‘too hard’ box. Is there a company or group out there that sells phones with these any of these OS’s preinstalled? I think https://brax.me sells a phone that’s at least degoogled, not sure if he’s using one of these OS’s though.

@zettawatt

The user experience sucks honestly. Now all that said, a true feature complete Linux phone would be awesome. Full device encryption? Shell scripts? Different desktop environments? SSH to hack stuff and control it remotely? It is next level. But the daily driver experience is so bad even I don’t use one.

At the beginning of the year, I reviewed various Android- and Linux-based operating systems for mobile devices, phones with such systems, and other projects focused on privacy and security, with a view to a project that I ultimately failed to submit to IF (but the learning remained).

None of these solutions guarantees complete privacy or security, but they do guarantee various problems, as described by zettawatt. If you want a smartphone with all the features we have become accustomed to, you must remember that surveillance includes: the GSM/Internet service provider, the device manufacturer, which has numerous closed IPs for individual features such as the microphone, camera, video camera, etc., and Android itself, which, despite being open source, does not provide a full guarantee of privacy or security. If you want to be completely private and secure, you need to buy a SIM card (but not for yourself), build a DIY phone based on RaspberryPi and install SimplexChat, but then you will not have a computer, only a communication device…

We have the best solution in the world, a network created from scratch, which has the right to use the term “new Internet”, giving us capabilities that no other technology available for civilian use can offer, and we are debating inferior solutions that are an attempt to turn a horse-drawn cart into a Lexus LFA… Wouldn’t it be better to join forces and focus on what we can do with Autonomi to bring it to mass adoption?

[TylerAbeoJordan]

@Profess

We have the best solution in the world, a network created from scratch, which has the right to use the term “new Internet”

Yes!

@Profess

Wouldn’t it be better to join forces and focus on what we can do with Autonomi to bring it to mass adoption?

Look at our marketcap compared to other storage networks. What developers are going to seriously put effort into building on our network?

We need real solid ongoing marketing first. None are going to support the network in a major way, until they see that Autonomi itself is going to support their network with real marketing - paying influencers, going on shows (crypto pods), running the circuits - over and over again because it’s a continuous process that never ends, it takes a dedication of capital spend.

Developers will build on networks that have growth potential - as that means their apps have growth potential.

But we still have no solid marketing public plan or serious ongoing marketing work from the management.

[feinberg]

We also have the greatest comeback story in the history of the space. We are the oldest project, the first ICO, constantly accused of being vaporware, were told it was impossible by all the big names, refused VC funding and were sustained by the community only , advised HBO in the creation of Silicon Valley, etc. And on and on and on. Somebody should honestly create a documentary about it.

We are also so much more than a storage network and that market only exists today because of the demand this project created over a decade ago.

[Zoki]

@feinberg

Somebody should honestly create a documentary about it.

I say this quite often.

So much material could stretch it to a multi part season. “Silicon Glen“.
Could easily attract top UK acting names for an all-star cast.

The MaidSafe story has everything.

Commenting to get a ticket for the red carpet premier showing.

[Traktion]

I think we need the ‘huge success’ part to follow, before most folks give a damn!

[Profess]

Please do not misunderstand me, but you are making logical errors in your approach. Consider it this way:

@TylerAbeoJordan

Look at our marketcap compared to other storage networks. What developers are going to seriously put effort into building on our network?

If you agree with my first statement, then you have the best solution in the world and a very low valuation of this technology, so any thinking developer should be seriously involved in the development of Autonomi, and if they are not, then you have to ask yourself - why?
(Unless, of course, someone sees potential in BTC technology and prefers to pay $125,000 for a token instead of $0.05, in which case they should not be disabused of this notion).

@TylerAbeoJordan

We need real solid ongoing marketing first. None are going to support the network in a major way, until they see that Autonomi itself is going to support their network with real marketing - paying influencers, going on shows (crypto pods), running the circuits - over and over again because it’s a continuous process that never ends, it takes a dedication of capital spend.

Autonomi is like a person who knows their worth; they don’t need to advertise, promote or market themselves, they just need to show what they can do and people will discover them on their own. We just need to present a complete solution and the project will start to attract the attention of developers and users through “whisper marketing”, but if we keep complaining and waiting for the team to promote the network, instead of taking matters into our own hands and helping the team, we will never see it happen.

@TylerAbeoJordan

Developers will build on networks that have growth potential - as that means their apps have growth potential.

But we still have no solid marketing public plan or serious ongoing marketing work from the management.

Do not ask what Autonomi can do for you, ask what you can do for Autonomi.

Any conclusions..?

[TylerAbeoJordan]

@Profess

so any thinking developer should be seriously involved in the development of Autonomi, and if they are not, then you have to ask yourself - why?

Firstly they likely won’t for the reason I gave above. Secondly if they don’t know about the project, then there is nothing to consider is there.

@Profess

they just need to show what they can do and people will discover them on their own

I profoundly disagree and the facts as they stand speak for themselves.

@Profess

Do not ask what Autonomi can do for you, ask what you can do for Autonomi.

I’m supporting the token price by not selling and by building a parallel project [ Announcing "StorPunk" a fork of Autonomi for temporary data, defi, & more ] that will lend itself to supporting Autonomi in several ways.

[TheGreatTit]

Seems to me the plan is organic growth. Alas, if organic is the plan, it’s not really organic and it’s not much of a plan, either. Like it or not, this research has been inept at portraying its ideas and ideals to anyone but idealists who border on balmy.

[Profess]

@TylerAbeoJordan

Firstly they likely won’t for the reason I gave above. Secondly if they don’t know about the project, then there is nothing to consider is there.

I’ll try to guide you a bit more…

You agree that Autonomi is the new Internet, a mass network for ordinary users, right? So today it looks like this… you tell someone about Autonomi and mention the erc20 token, a crypto exchange account, a crypto wallet, KYC requirements, transfers, installing software, and paying for gas with another crypto token, and that person says… hmmm, another blockchain, some crypto exchanges, probably a scam, some tokens, transfers, and they want my data over the Internet! Agreements, terms and conditions, privacy policies and a lot of time wasted on all this just to send a file to the network…?
Thanks, but I’d rather save my data to an external drive with one click or use the free cloud option if I have to…

Remove all these barriers, and the developers will find the project themselves, and you won’t have to persuade them to get involved. Think about why you yourself are involved in this project…

@TylerAbeoJordan

@Profess

they just need to show what they can do and people will discover them on their own

I profoundly disagree and the facts as they stand speak for themselves.

The facts show that the network is incomplete and therefore its usefulness is theoretical. Return to your original assumptions, complete the network and demonstrate how it works, and you will not need advertising, celebrities or podcasts; the market will be impressed by the project on its own.

@TylerAbeoJordan

@Profess

Do not ask what Autonomi can do for you, ask what you can do for Autonomi.

I’m supporting the token price by not selling and by building a parallel project [ Announcing “StorPunk” a fork of Autonomi for temporary data, defi, & more ] that will lend itself to supporting Autonomi in several ways.

It was a general response suggesting that we need to join forces and get to work ourselves, rather than just waiting for the team, which is already working at full capacity, to do something – it wasn’t directed at you personally

I really respect what you are doing and that you are trying to support the project, but until the network is complete, even the best applications, forks and marketing will not help; the network will still be in the development phase, without market interest.

[TylerAbeoJordan]

@Profess

You agree that Autonomi is the new Internet

I don’t simply agree to that point. It has such potential, but it’s only a piece.

@Profess

you tell someone

Most people I know are older folks. And as you may understand most all of them use the standard technologies and have no interest in autonomi - except perhaps as a curiosity. It first has to have a a large amount of momentum before people I know would serious consider using it - even if it were simple and easy to use as part of a storage backup system app.

What you may not understand about most people is that they follow the herd. It doesn’t matter what is superior - it’s what is habit and what the neighbors are doing. This is a fact of human nature that is practically undeniable when you observe reality more objectively. It’s why marketing works as the means of inducing adoption of anything in society. Even grassroots development is centered on going out and knocking on doors and putting things in local markets and local shops. What people don’t see as familiar, is something they simply won’t touch.

@Profess

The facts show that the network is incomplete

The fact is that developers don’t know if the network is complete or not, because most haven’t even heard of it and if they have, they see it as an obscure technology with no adoption - completeness doesn’t even become a factor here, as, if they knew about the project, they could see that the dev team is “on it” and that it will become complete in short order (relatively speaking).

I respect your optimism and hope for the project. I’m a pragmatist though and my communication effort here aims to temper hope with a dose of reality in order to attempt to drive a shift in focus and direction of the management. Maybe pointless as I suspect they don’t even read the forum anymore - but this is me hoping I’m wrong and not being pragmatic!

Anyway, thank you for the conversation.

[19eddyjohn75]

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[blvd]

@Profess

You agree that Autonomi is the new Internet

no, its a backup layer of the internet. People need speed, autonomi will never provide optimal speed ever given its architecture

[feinberg]

People made similar claims for years about Bitcoin. It’s going to be absolutely wild when the average person realizes what we’re building. Communitas will be the game-changer.

[Profess]

@TylerAbeoJordan

@Profess

You agree that Autonomi is the new Internet

I don’t simply agree to that point. It has such potential, but it’s only a piece.

What I meant was that Autonomi has enormous potential to become the new Internet, because obviously it is not yet a complete solution today.

Furthermore, I agree with everything you wrote, but it is not our mission to convince the masses to use a network that is still essentially in the laboratory stage. I am trying to convey in my posts that we must work together to complete the network — create a native token without looking at the team — and show the most interested users of the current Internet what we have. The rest will start working on its own with the ambassadorial support of the community, that’s all.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for your project and encourage you to consider the proposal for the entire community to work together on a single project, rather than individual efforts on multiple applications, while the network still does not provide the required usability.

[Profess]

@blvd

@Profess

You agree that Autonomi is the new Internet

no, its a backup layer of the internet. People need speed, autonomi will never provide optimal speed ever given its architecture

Are you absolutely sure about that? How do you think these tens of billions of devices will work on the network, not only computers and smartphones, but also IoT and IIoT devices with CPU/GPU microprocessors, as well as the ubiquitous, inexpensive MCU microcontrollers with built-in communication modules (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GSM)? Do you think that the current Internet will provide them with stable, secure and reliable operation?

[TylerAbeoJordan]

I suspect that in the future, we won’t use websites as we do today. We will feed AI with the information that would be in a website and it will present it to those who are interested.

Already this is happening. Hard to say exactly how it will play out because AI is in it’s infancy both in software and hardware, but storage in the future will likely be storing AI’s in some way.

[neo]

@Profess

How do you think these tens of billions of devices will work on the network,

I am taken back to the 1970’s, 1980’s and 1990’s with different networks, 100s even 1000s and a pair of us created a commercial network over leased lines in the early 80’s to run commercial systems over. Ran for some 5 years before moving onto later network standards, like X.25 and tcp/ip.

The point is that speed was not fast for any of the networks. The nineties with tcp/ip was a slow time by 2000’s standards, but fast by 19080’s standard. The Autonomi network will evolve and speed has already massively increased since just one year ago, and the improvements are still being added.

So by comparing Autonomi in its initial version state to (remote) server speeds is definitely going make Autonomi look bad. I prefer to wait and let the improvements come before declaring its just a file store. (backup)

[Profess]

I don’t know if you meant to write this to me, because it’s @blvd who has doubts about the network speed.

@blvd

no, its a backup layer of the internet. People need speed, autonomi will never provide optimal speed ever given its architecture

But I completely agree with you. I remember how during beta testing, when starting up the nodes, my computer wouldn’t start and the fan wanted to fly off into space.
We now have enormous progress in network speed, and when the network reaches the right size, it will fly at tachyon speed.

[blvd]

@Profess

We now have enormous progress in network speed, and when the network reaches the right size, it will fly at tachyon speed.

Just no, our nodes are not optimized for speed. Anyone can start a node, old hardware, mediocre isp et cetera.

Our network has a speed bottleneck by design

[TylerAbeoJordan]

I don’t want to nit-pic, it’s just my nature to do so …

IMO, it’s not correct to say:

@blvd

Our network has a speed bottleneck by design

as it implies that the bottlenecks had no other purpose and they were imposed only as bottlenecks. The network was designed with specific aims and these aims cause the network to operate at speeds relatively lower than a network that doesn’t have all of the aims/purposes of a more complex and more capable network.

Much of these speed issues can be reduced over time though via improved hardware. For example just using SSD’s versus HDD’s reduces latency and can speed up the network as more and more people use SSD’s … processing speed, tighter integrations, higher throughput motherboards … all these things can reduce latency and throughput … such will never cause us to reach parity with a simpler network, but for many that may not make much of a difference if it’s fast enough to not be noticeable.