I changed the wording to, limited in their thinking.
Whatever they are it is wrong blocking someone without doing their research. If they are interested about decentralization then it seems fair that they should have more knowledge than the general population about decentralization.
The world has become a little strange, people playing in their small limited bubbles believing whatever gospel is praised in that bubble without any thoughts or reasoning.
Soon it will probably be some new other trend that they follow, hopefully we can start that new trend and maybe the same people will start to praise our decentralized network and digital asset.
I wish the Autonomi team will find good ways to target those groups in the future.
I don’t know who has ever expected that the network would be profitable for people to run nodes. I for one never expected such. The point of the network is privacy, security, redundancy and most important of all IMO, extreme censorship resistance.
If you come to this project just to store some data in the cloud, then you have completely missed the point of the project … plenty of ways for you to do that and this project isn’t at all an attempt to disrupt cloud storage prices. No matter how well the network is ultimately engineered, it can never ever have costs lower than a centralized storage provider and AFAIK, such was NEVER promised either. I.e. to be a scam they’d have to have promised something they knew they could never deliver upon.
In short, there is no way that this project is a scam. Given it’s stated aims, it has corresponding limitations. The fact that you’ve misunderstood the aims of this project is totally on you.
Using spare space and/or space on old, commodity, devices has the potential to make storage very cheap.
Moreover, the network scales horizontally to extreme levels, allowing many network capillaries to be used to deliver content. Again, these are often commodity connections, with ample spare capacity to transit the data.
So, imo, the jury is out on costs long term. Google, Amazon, etc, may have to spend much more for big pipes and power to specific locations. The same goes for all their backup systems to maintain redundancy.
Without the native token, costs are high due to gas fees. There is also limited awareness of the network and the team has yet to officially announce data as fully permanent. So, we are reliant on emissions for payments.
I’d expect as folks start actually uploading more to the network, the earning figures will start reflecting that. I don’t think node operators will make huge profits, but it should find a sustainable price point as the market price is found.
I am. Been running the math in my head for a decade now. Also pay closer attention to my phrasing - I said costs, not prices. is storing multiple copies on lower grade hardware … there is no practical way it can have cheaper costs than centralized data storage.
They don’t have five copies - I’m pretty sure of that. Overall datacenter costs are far lower than home use costs for the same amount of storage. The fact that people at home can ignore and absorb most of those costs doesn’t meant they don’t exist.
I don’t see this as speculative - more like objective physics.
I know many companies who keep hot/hot systems in multiple regions and sometimes multiple countries. They also have backup copies and multiple layers of caching and redundancy.
First off, I never said it WAS a scam. I said specifically that it APPEARS that way when you have to spend money just to test the network, even when donating resources. Secondly Autonomi explicitly does say that the network can be used for cloud storage, that is part of the project now, and it always was. I am not interested in profiteering of crypto, I think that is exactly what is ruining the network right now. The cost of using a ‘censorship resistant’ network is registering your name, address and tax details details with an exchange and authorities (if you live in the uk) or you can not upload (unless you know someone selling ANTS in a back ally somewhere). I don’t think I have misunderstood the project, even as the goals have changed, the founders recognize changes from the original vision too. However appearance/perception matter. If OTHERS have misunderstood the project (as happybeing points out by being blocked) then there is at a minimum a perception problem, I would argue there is an actual practical problem with forcing people to register on an exchange and purchase ants just to test the network that may or may not be working. If a native token is the future then I look forward to that, but there seems to be little or no info on the progress of that. Until then this project just isn’t worth my time or money anymore. As for censorship, the next Ed Snowden isn’t going to register their details with the authorities before buying crypto on a public blockchain that can only be spent posting data on this network. He might as well dead drop a USB stick @theguardian, its less hassle.
You don’t have to spend any money (and register to a cex) if you want to share resources and use your earnings to upload some data.
The cost of uploading is cheap and earnings should cover the upload price (fees included). You just need a tiny bit of ETH for the first swap (like $0.01), and I’m sure that if you ask nicely, some members may be willing to give you enough ETH to start your adventure.
I think the problem is having to get ETH as well as ANT in order to spend the ANT. It’s the nature of using blockchain for currency instead of native currency.
The team is dedicated to native currency for this reason and many others.
I know you and many others are frustrated, but we’re a hell of a lot closer to the goal than this time last year and many times closer than a few years ago.
The team are adding stability and performance. Once we have these, we have a platform to build the native currency on. We have to do it in this order and tbh, few would trust the native currency until the network had proved stable at scale anyway.
Please just bear with the team a bit longer. We’ve all been here so long and it is tantalisingly close to success now. The apps coming out are a testiment to that. Keep the faith, @jane !
just started delving into this , not watched the full documentary yet but it’s already got me thinking
It’s kind of a shocking (in a good way) thing to see £1m of debt taken care of for £100,000, using a different social and financial infrastructure ie Michael himself
Would be interesting if aggregated commissions/donations from software usage/sales could buy and write off debt with the commissions, donations in a decentralised way ?
proposition to customer: the longer you use our great solutions , the longer debt gets bought and forgiven.
eg a small independent translation software developer earns £5,000 a month from software sales,usage , support etc etc and every sale he/she/bot pays 10% to buying debt at wholesale.
That would be £500 of commission to buy £5,000 of debt and forgive it using the Michael protocol?
(Minus costs, legal, etc which im not familiar with)
£60,000 yr of debt forgiven: from one £60,000 yr turnover software business would be impressive.
Just realised that if I turn my p2p chat into a Javascript Web component and put it onto autonomi then any other Web app/website running within autonomi could simply include it =O
Chats that span different applications
(how awesome would that be? No more having 74858 communication channels to the same people… But getting communications bound to people and not certain apps… )
… Ofc making it as configurable as necessary and getting the interface right now is the challenge
Pps: @loziniak maybe something for jams too - including a simple remote control / display of current track that can be included everywhere (e.g. In an extension for my chat app too - seeing current track in my header - including the current song in your status,… ) or is jams rust to the bones?
Perspective on Trump that I doubt many get to hear:
BTW Marcus is an expert in online security and a good guy. Recommended follow along many security experts I follow there. Probably also on BS , no longer on Xitter.
Jams is Rust / ReactJS. It’s probably better to talk to @safemedia about the frontend part
Do you think this could be abstracted enough to use outside of the browser? Perhaps through some Rust lib? Could it stream any arbitrary data, not only chat?
That’s the plan - I’ve started adapting a reliable udp library for multi party communications and want to keep it as generic as possible to be able to use it for the chat but e.g. Streaming sound and video data too, as well as just signaling online/offline state.
It’s in my python backend anyway and not part of the browser code the frontend app sadly cannot do hole punching on its own.
When the multi party comms lib/protocol works as expected I hope to be able to translate it to rust as well (and nodejs probably too) to enable apps to use it that don’t use python but want a way to communicate in ‘realtime’.
I was also starting to build an example for adding a chat feature for between nodes for the jams app. (had just built a frontend for the chat, no backend as of yet)
I had planned to use the existing libp2p on the autonomi nodes, namely the gossipsub feature that can be enabled. The idea would be to enable it and then just listen for ‘jams’ messages or any specific keyword.
Here’s an example of how it works via libp2p’s gossipsub.
Getting people to enable gossipsub on their nodes would open much more features than just chat however. It would enable the network to have rss feeds and listen for new files, updates, notifications etc.
is storing multiple copies on lower grade hardware … there is no practical way it can have cheaper costs than centralized data storage.
, no longer on Xitter.
