I’m looking to solve a problem, fill a demand, not offer people a pay day. This why I want to form a tight group of friends, (farmers club) that is willing to “trust” and work together to overcome weak points in the farming process. I see more benefit in working together than doing it alone.
Honestly, I would rather send my external hard drive to someone who has access to Fiber, than use it on my own ISP… cause mine sucks big time! I would also offer to share in paying for the cost.
The details of how we run an operation and what solutions we use can be explored as we get closer to farming test Safecoin.
I would actually fit into the “bandwidth is an issue” category. Plenty of D/L speed but very limited upload speed and when schools out the speed is noticeably reduced.
I will be rather interested in your group, contrary to my previous seemingly cynical comments
The around $5 AUD cost mentioned above for a server that is closer to the majority of the world and speed to boot sounds like it would be worth it for 1-4 vaults.
As long as it pays for itself and the effort to maintain it, with a few coins occassionally I will be happy. It helps the network and it doesn’t cost me.
I just started researching cloud solutions. While they (cloud servers) do have huge bandwith and online reliability, the storage amount is lacking or rather exponentially expensive. This means the vaults earn well until they are filled… then data gets old and GETS decrease.
Having said that, a cloud vault server still sounds the most promising right now, if you don’t have Fiber Internet. And if it proves to be so… that’s the solution we will use.
Still, I suspect (large storage + high bandwith) has the highest long term earning potential. I’m speculating of course.
We’ll see which one has the best cost benefit and share our findings with the community.
Something to consider. If you get your friends involved, like start getting a local meshnet going, then you’ll be less reliant on your personal internet for connectivity to the larger network.
Only in relation to the internet and/or the rest of the SAFE network that one is dependent upon the internet to connect to. If you can establish a local meshnet inferstructure and in turn that inferstructure grows and other local areas do the same then one will not be dependent upon the internet for one’s use of the SAFE network. The reason we’re bottlenecking is we’re essentially piggybacking on the internet 1.0’s hardware and paying to do so. In as much as we can develop our own internet 2.0 meshnet backbone that is decentralized, free and not dependent on the established telecom inferstructure then we’re golden.
Constraints are the reason the internet is slow. When you decentralize you make many paths around constraints.
If you try to pack a lot of big rocks into a box and a lot of little rocks in the same box, you will find that you will be able to get a lot more weight with the little rocks… Safe makes a lot of little rocks. Coming from many different sources instead of just one, or just a few… It changes the the architecture of the highway system, so the traffic will flow differently than it does now…
If your WiFi router can do more than 1MB/s (upload) but the telco package you have is 1MB/s, then you may be able to get more by offloading some upload to mesh network, so that’s one scenario that works fine.
But if your router is already maxed out (say, your package allows 5MB/s upload, but your router can do 4MB/s), you can’t gain much by mesh networking with your neighbors.
Depending on the exact scenario you may be better off with mesh.
If you get a monthly “disk hit rate” of 2% (which in my mind would be good), on 20TB of vaults that would be 400 GB of uploads per month, or only 150 KB/s (which is slightly more than 1Mbps).
So you don’t seem too endangered to me. Maybe you’d like to do 50 or 100 TB, but not knowing the exact hit rate, maybe even that will be able to get by with 1Mbps (which would/should be concerning from the ROI perspective).
My clients installed some 80 dollar Ubiquiti wireless links a few months ago – They are getting well over 150Mbs over the 1 mile wifi link… The latency is low enough that they would get DHCP answered from the wrong end… (I had to help them reconfigure it right).
Where you from @Krekc?
I’m new to this ideia, but i already have some sugestions:
A small part of the community could manage a database of the places, providers and internet speeds… as with hardware costs and locations, shippings, etc…
We could like make an independent website to share the database with the other farmers… etc…
so, where you from, since you are using Euro like me?..
I think the worse problem for peeps in Australia (I’m included in this at the moment) is that the rest of the world isn’t in Australia. This is a problem as there aren’t many people living down under, so, for the most part as farmers we’d be sending bits a long distance. That translates into high latency, which I suspect the network is going to account for and that means farms in remote areas (sparsely populated areas) aren’t going to get nearly so much usage.
That said, does it matter? It depends on how farmers are paid - by storage space, by potential bandwidth, by used bandwidth, or a combination?
Infamous last words! I think it depends on what is being pulled a large file (no problem) or very small files (problem) - as in websites on SAFE might suffer. E.g. if a SAFEPress site takes a long time to load (relative to centralized servers on I-net 1.0) because of a slow server in Tasmania, then peeps aren’t going to be too happy to use SAFE for surfing.
In the end, we’ll just have to wait and see how the tech responds in the real-world. Arm-chairing thing isn’t going to solve the mystery for me.
If your Web site is any good, it’ll be cached and data won’t be pulled from vaults, but from the intermediate caching layer.
If your site is crap and you don’t get any visitor for hours, well, you have a different problem to solve.
Also, if you’re using a regular Web server with a SAFE back-end for files, your Web server should cache data on the OS level. For small images, 100 KB * 5000 = 500 MB. If you want you can easily cache this in RAM (add $5 to your hosting bill (e.g. using RAM pricing from Digital Ocean)).
If it’s a porn site, they’ll be happy because that content is always relatively more downloaded than other, and should be cached in the SAFE caching layer. If they’re trying to watch Kahn’s Academy videos in Tasmania, they’re screwed.
I’m from The Netherlands. A lot of people have fiber connections over here. Although I think my ISP may be the one offering the best speeds for this price. So I suppose I’m lucky. Then again I remember my current ISP for being difficult about bandwidth use back in the cable days. So I guess I will find out once I start using more data when the Safe network launches
I had a video review website once and uploading from AU was absolutely atrocious and embarrassing. My devs in India and Hosts in USA where able to upload videos on my behalf as tests with no issue and I could barely upload a 2 minute 720p video without the damn thing timing out after like 20 minutes. Complained to Telstra and they just go ‘meh’ and shrug their shoulders.
The problem is barely even the infrastructure, its the fact that they cap you unless your willing to throw bags of money at them. I am on their best home plan for my area and although it is great for my usual Internet, browsing and DL habits I recently tested the upload performance and it is still an absolute joke (in Clayton at work on what I assume is a million dollar contract with Optus ATM and it is 5.7mbps).
Luckily for me NBN build is not too far away from my place, it looks to be mainly fixed wireless with some fixed lines.
You can’t cap uploads, you shouldn’t cap uploads! Building infrastructure but then capping uploads is like building a great port for importing and exporting goods but then telling merchants they can only send goods via little tinnies, oh and their drive speed would be restricted too! F**kwits!
