Thoughts on the dangers of undeletable data?

The main characteristic and goal of the SAFE network is that it is impossible to censor, so what do you expect?

That the devs and the community should enable censorship?

The idea is completely unnecessary and unacceptable.

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Well one has to pay to put data into the network. This makes people to think TWICE before posting it.

The current internet is filled with shenanigans. Especially with the SJW who are witch hunting across the net because their feelings were hurt. I think safenet will get rid of this whole nonsense, and focus more on actual science, tech, and other means to boost their standards of living. SJW, and freebies will never use it which will drastically reduce the non-sense post. ā€œIā€™m going to starbucks, and drink holy grail of grande coffee!ā€ ā€œHereā€™s my main dish!ā€ etc.

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Iā€™ve been against censorship since Freenet, long before SAFE Network was even thought of, back in 1999. So youā€™re preaching to the choir here. Iā€™m not against the ideals but Iā€™m concerned about the implementation.

I also donā€™t think free speech is always going to lead to good outcomes and we should do everything we can to try to minimize the bad outcomes when we invent something. Itā€™s the responsibility of the inventor to at least try their best to protect future users and inheritors of their invention.

We donā€™t want to create a new hell out of good intentions.

It could also empower those groups. Please consider that while no one knows how SAFE Network will be abused itā€™s guaranteed to be abused as any new technology has been.

The ideal is to have the benefits outweigh the abuses.

one you pay the price keeps the data there in perpetuity?

ah right the network has no concept of time at all. i think this is a bit of a weakness. no ability to prioritize content should the Earth encounter a cataclysmic event. The system would probably lock up trying to copy all the data on a reduced number of storage media.

it is not really necessary to have all data in perpetuity and it means that the network has no ability of garbage management which would be important in case of an event where a very large portion of the storage capacity dropped off suddenly.

or maybe i donā€™t understand something or missed something.

In the pipeline is the concept of archive nodes that can store data long term without the need for moving the data. So unused data would eventually end up in these nodes.

Now imagine they employ this technology

Just 1000 archive nodes with 10 or so of these beauties onlineline would give 3,600 PB of permanent online storage for those little/never used chunks.

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ah yes like the memory crystals in the Superman comic :wink:

just throw up a bunch of satellites with this stuff globally positioned

wahahahah

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  1. regarding your observations on free speech, you should know what the problem is not solvable on the network level.
  2. I would love SJWs to be outraged by SAFE.

If the platform be censorship resistant, it doesnā€™t matter whether ā€œpeopleā€ are against this or that. Stuff will be posted and wonā€™t be taken down. Period.

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You are just an agitator. Iā€™m having a difficult time taking you seriously. For the last time, I never said it should be on the ā€œnetwork levelā€ whatever that even means. I donā€™t think there should be one curation engine to rule them all but there has to be at least one at launch is what Iā€™m saying. Launching without is like launching a video game console with no launch titles.

And in response to 2), why do you want to pick an unnecessary battle with SJWs? SJWs have as much right to use SAFE Network as you do.

I would think its more like ā€œlaunching a video game console with plenty of titles, but no Magazine to review the titlesā€

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Because itā€™s a battle and war they will lose. There is nothing, short of destroying the network, they can do about it. MaidSafe promised to take care of the only risk, so weā€™ll see how much PR they (SJWs and other busybodies) can create for free speech (by attempting to restrain it).

Yes I am an agitator. Also known as a SAFE user. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it except to ignore my posts (curation!).

If you didnā€™t say curation should be implemented at the network level, then why did you entitle this topic ā€œdangers of undeleteable dataā€?
With app-based curation, data will still be undeleteable, so what good would your curation do?

Edit: just thought of this: funny how you canā€™t take me seriously, and you intend to take seriously agitating content I am going to post on the net.

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Erā€¦ he didnā€™t, I did. And it wasnā€™t to advocate curation, it was just to start a discussion on the implications.

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