You put them in the same bag, but just to clear any misunderstanding, they have opposite ideas about the cost of uploading and maintaining files in the safe network:
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@anders wants these operations totally free,
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whereas @foreverjoyful wants additional costs for the uploader (compared to what is currently planned by Maidsafe)
I share @foreverjoyful concerns about sustainability of pay once and store forever principle but I find @anders idea not viable in a decentralized network.
They necessarily need to be implemented at the network level and not at the app level:
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Nobody will use @foreverjoyful’s app when they don’t pay any renting by uploading directly to the network
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@anders’s app won’t be able to upload files because it won’t have the fund needed for this if users don’t pay anything.