@cl0ck3d and @Jabba I might be interested in buying some shares, but I don’t really know how I would go about that. I created a profile on https://bnktothefuture.com, but I haven’t studied it yet.
You’d have to find someone willing to sell OTC first. BttF would then broker the deal and do the paperwork for a 5% fee. You’ll have to do some KYC on there too in advance I’d imagine.
I’m not selling any. Just my brother-in-law wanting to buy - if @cl0ck3d accepts his offer ofc. All he’s said so far is that he is interested @ £100, so I guess he’s making a £5k offer ($6,520).
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I have another set of 48 shares I’d like to sell.
Previously I have an offer pending at £5k. I’ve had folks PM me offering to buy some shares independent of a 48 share bundle I might be willing to consider this if the price is right.
I’m willing to consider offers above £5k. As of now I’ve got offers well above this, but I’m not sure how serious as of yet. Please feel free to post your offer here or PM me. Either way at the point of sale I will make all accepted offers public to prevent low-balling of others who also might want to buy/sell their shares.
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I still have a bundle of 48 shares for sale. PM me or post your offers. 
I will most likely sell more shares after ALPHA is released as well.
So shareholders will have the option to sell back their shares to Maidsafe at a rate of 105 Safecoins per share once the network/Safecoin has been launched…
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Yes, I think it’s 105, Nick has the exact figures, but yes the foundation will buy back MaidSafe shares for safecoin. It’s not mandatory for shareholders to sell their shares, but it’s a nice option in addition they have as shareholders in a private company where selling shares is not always simple.
So the foundation basically then will take ownership of close to 100% of Maidsafe as we go along. I see it as a win win all round.
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Is there a time limit to take advantage of this option or will it always hold true as long as you own shares?
It will always hold true as long as you own shares.
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I am not sure what you mean here. Safecoin could drop to zero or go insanely high, but shares are unlikely to drop unless we screw up royally (there is a ton of tech) or they also go insanely high. I don’t think there is a direct correlation.
It’s been surprising to me on occasion that offering something in addition to the shares at zero cost to shareholders can be seen as a bad thing. It is an option and possibly a great option, but an option. It’s an additional benefit other companies do not provide, I don’t see how it can be bad.
I had the exact same thing when I donated shares to the foundation and the staff scheme, I thought it was great to incentivise staff and weaken my (too powerful) position as a shareholder who had full control (over 75%). Many said, oh that’s a shame, we lose something, but all I could see was gains all round. A single guy could go mental or make terrible decisions, but shared responsibility I figured was a better more democratic way forward.
It’s always a learning experience though, but I always choose to give and reap rewards in more nuanced ways than holding power and cash. However this giving is not easy 
it’s seen as weakening shareholders, when I am convinced it strengthens them.
I could be wrong, but I remain convinced I could beat that camel trough the eye of a needle and still be content and happy 
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Yes that’s correct: The number of safecoin set aside for shareholders (5%) = 2 ^ 32 = 4294967296 * 0.05 = 214,748,365. Number of shares in MaidSafe.net issued = 2,028,316. Therefore each shareholder will receive 105 safecoins per share.
When safecoin is launched and we are in a position to do this, we would run the process in conjunction with BnkToTheFuture as participants in that round hold shares in the SPV as opposed to MaidSafe direct. That is really just a administrative thing though.
As David mentioned, it’s hard to see this additional option as a negative.
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So at the current price of MaidSafeCoin thats a virtual gain of roughly a bit more than 100%, if my calculation is correct 
EDIT: in Euro’s, in British Pounds more, in Bitcoin a loss of course.
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This was known at the time of the BTTF investment, so any investor had the choice whether to invest by buying MaidSafecoin or buying into MaidSafe Limited.
Everyone chose to buy shares, or not, for their own reasons. If you didn’t do that calculation at the time, you may feel disappointed with yourself for not realising what your choices were, and what you expected to happen.
But as David points out, nobody knows the future relative values. This option only means investors have a better deal than if they had just bought shares and not been given this option.
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BttF are likely to open their secondary market before the end of the year (although they have still not started publicising it yet, so it isn’t guaranteed). If they do manage to get it up-and-running then all those BttF shares could become tradeable. I would be quite surprised if many holders part with any BttF shares at much less than the BTC value they were purchased at.
It is possible that long before you get an option to trade in your shares for SAFEcoin we might all get the option to buy or sell more shares at a liquid, open-market price. Besides, SAFEcoin could also easily be worth $10 a pop or more post-launch anyway. I doubt anyone would be complaining about numbers like $1k per share as a buy-back option if they were offered it.
Equity is also an illiquid and very long term bet, unlike most cryptos. You usually have to wait for a buy-out or IPO several years down the line. Having any extra option to make shares more liquid is useful for investors. It’s never a bad thing to have more options.
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Trading shares for BTC would be great for money transfer worldwide
Will there be the institution of a special currency on the maid safe network that can represent shares, so we can transfer ownership from BNKTOTHEFUTURE shares into a dividend paying system on the network itself?
I’d like to also point out to naysayers that this effectively pegs the stock to not be less than the equivalent of safe coins, which will save the price from crashing come BNKTOTHEFUTURE opening their market. As buyers will recognize that it’s worth an equivalent exchange of safe coins.
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Can someone other than me give a brief summary of what owning shares in the SPV entails?
I thought I had a handle on what exactly it meant to own the shares, but it’s been a considerable amount of time, and either I can’t find the information my brain has based it’s belief upon or I have gotten it wrong all this time.
I need to know soon, because I think I might have given bad information to someone who was buying shares from me and I want to solve it now if I can.
AFAIK it is all pretty standard. The SPV is the entity that owns the shares. You own a portion of that SPV. Voting rights etc are pointless and not even worth thinking about unless you invest millions. Your share of an SPV should not be considered liquid. You are essentially stuck waiting for an IPO or a buy-out. As it happens they might end up more liquid as MaidSafe and BttF both have plans to make them so - MaidSafe will offer SafeCoins for shares and BttF might open a secondary market. BttF also facilitates OTC trading, so there is some liquidity if people can find their own buyers.
I don’t think there’s much more that’s really important to get your head around with SPV shares. These companies have not gone public, so they are not open to the public to buy ‘shares’ and you are signing up to a long term play when you buy in. That’s why only qualifying/sophisticated (lol) investors can participate through an ‘SPV’. The whole thing is apparently just a nod to regulations that are designed to keep joe public away, so he doesn’t spunk his saving and go moaning to them about it. I think the SPV itself and the self-certification are just ways around the red tape so joe public can get a taste of the VC pie. ICOs have made it all a bit laughable though now really. Without a secondary market BttF’s business model isn’t looking nearly as good as it once was.
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