MaidSafe Dev Update :safe: 23rd February 2016

Great job as always @Ross, and my thanks to the devs for all of their time and effort, it’s really coming together.

One unimportant question if I may, will the roadmap be in any way tied to JIRA or GitHub such that it will reflect the changes in those systems automatically? Like a sort of live update of task completion?

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I’ll do my best to make a “helpful” video. :thumbsup:

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Yes, it’s cross platform.

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Are you gonna test Churn on your nodes at first? Like running a script that takes nodes down at random to see what happens?

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Yes, various churn scenarios will be tested.

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MVP was promised this month, now it seems reading between the lines MVP will be pushed back to march/later. Why is it so hard to speak like a human instead of a sales representative?

Didn’t you read the post?

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We expect (hope) that this initial field test will be completed pretty quickly and that adding churn to the network by releasing the MVP to everyone will happen at a brisk pace.

You really think this reads like they will make it? There is a difference in MVP testing and MVP release. We are currently on wednesday noon. So a testing release should happen, it should be tested, and based on those results changes should be made, and a MVP released before tuesday?

in the world of open source and iterative and incremental agile software development methodologies there is no difference between mvp testing and mvp release.

get over it troll. :imp:

at least learn the meanings of the words you use and save the rest of us trouble from having to educate you.

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Sorry to see you being so negative that you can’t enjoy the fact that the network will go live this week. A full MVP indeed means we all have our own Vaults running at home and the network can handle churn when a node goes offline. But even if this becomes February, what’s the big point? Take a look at this Pull-request done yesterday and get a glimpse of what software development really is. It hard as hell, consumes an extreme amount of time and focus, and don’t forget this is a completely new thing! It’s so different from building another BitTorrent client. It’s like inventing the wheel and a car at the same time. So feel grumpy if you like, or just enjoy the fact we’ll be creating accounts in the coming days to upload our own html’s and register an address in the DNS. Great times are coming!

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actually no it does not mean that…

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Oh no. A delay. Surely we will all perish.
It’s an open source project doing something completely new. Estimating release dates is hard, even harder when you don’t keep the software behind closed doors for a period after it’s viable and only release when your marketing department tells you to.
So yeah, dates are gonna slip, c’est la vie.

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have some hope =) I think it all sounds pretty awesome and all the impatience is forgotten once safe is up and running :slightly_smiling:

(I absolutely feel with you - for me it has been only one year since I heard of this project … waiting for it to become alive is hard but it won’t happen earlier if we are impatient … :-\ )

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Many here are as frustrated as you are. Its not a problem demonstrating frustration so ask questions and ignore those who disrespect your right to do so. Its never good to attack the messenger. There is nothing any single person can do to move this along any faster. If you’re an investor and still in after 2 years, be thankful you didnt exit 3 weeks ago and my guess is you’ll be thankful in another 3 weeks. GL

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What is so hard to understand? The network will NOT go live this week. The network will test isolated aspects this week.

Testing isolated aspects, and testing an autonomous network that resists abuse, they are two COMPLETELY different things.

MVP is supposed to be the latter. What we get is the former.

One of the core aspects of SAFE is that not the servers but the data itself is encrypted. We will have exactly that this week. So from a user point of view you won’t see the difference between a fully autonomous network or a tesnet with just 100 nodes. The underlying tech is still the same. The “log on” is the same, the creation of chunks is the same, the DNS is the same. It’s only in a “lab environment” where the Devs can look how the nodes behave and do some testing on them. Quite smart because when we have to thousands of users completely decentralized they won’t be able to see it so closely.

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Thanks for making the videos you have and for the future ones you intended to make. I use them when people call the software vaporware.

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Estimating is hard as you are trying to put a time line against an unknown challenge. Sometimes, what you expect to do now what you do do. Other times, the solution is far from what you expected.

Moreover, not every angle is always obvious until you get closer to finishing the work. It probably became obvious that testing the churn routines in a controlled environment made most sense, but wasn’t obvious a month ago.

The best decisions are often made later with more knowledge, than earlier with limited knowledge. This is just the reality of working with complex systems.

You talk as if the team is deliberately trying to deceive people. I see no evidence of this. I see a team working hard on a difficult project, with expectations being managed as well as is reasonably possible.

So, they didn’t anticipate every event and deliver a fully tested MVP. Maybe you need to cut them some slack and manage your own expectations better? If you don’t like or trust the team, you can take your focus elsewhere. I believe that they are doing their best.

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2 likes for something that far off?

Only thing i said was that the dev team should have straight-out said that MVP is delayed.

Believe me when i say i know the details, i was on board way before the crowd sale was even announced.

With these kind of projects it’s almost impossible to promise a fixed date of release, as there are always snags popping up last minute, which then extends the release a bit further.
You can be sure that the devs want to release as soon as possible, but a real professional will never release anything before he can stand up for it.
I speak from experience as I am part of another upcoming project, which has dragged out for years now.
Just enjoy the ride when a project finally hits the ground :slight_smile: It’ll be worth the wait.

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