Legality issues of storing someone else's files on your computer

I disagreed with what @neo wrote; I quoted you for context :smiley_cat:
I have plenty of experience crossing borders, and I am well aware of how that works.

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Thanks for the clarification - I thought it might be a cool way to disguise encrypted data as anything :smiley:

It’s a cool way that exists and it’s called steganography. Unfortunately, you can’t hide much data in pictures or audio files without risking detection by statistical means.

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My argument was that technically you never know exactly what’s in your possession.

You can say that your Mac runs Mac OS, and that you have installed software X and Y.

But I don’t think most people carrying a Mac can explain exactly what every bit of the 8GB worth of /System files does exactly.

I understand what the real issues are. Please understand that technology will temporarily help the bad guys, but also that on the long term privacy and law enforcement won’t be mutually exclusive. It’s a long story and worthy of a Black Mirror episode, ideally with a good ending.

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Clearly you dont know what constructive criticism is. Do you have any answers for the OP? I dont see anything from you.

Really?

CIA eh? Hilarious

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I fail to notice how @BIGbtc’s comments were subversive or unrelated. He mentioned specific real-life situations where having encrypted data on one’s computer alone can pose a problem. We do need solutions for those situations.

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Just freaking delete the program before you bring your paranoid self over the tyrannically controlled border.

P.S. and stop talking shite!

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The last time we could run the vault software remotely it didn’t have a shutdown option but could one be added? Then have the option to wipe the stored chunks from your computer? If a shutdown option couldn’t be added I’m guessing someone with the proper skills could very easily create a script that wiped the directory the chunks are stored in.

Borders are by nature tyrannical, but so is the whole of United Kingdom, when it comes to passwords.

Even if you don’t agree with the content:

  1. it’s on topic
  2. it’s not an example for some “subversive CIA tactics”

P.S. manners plz

Apologies but mountain and molehill spring to mind.

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It’ll be part of the thing itself, no doubt about it.

Honestly, the mountain is less of a problem. Being visible enough, it will be covered by a digital safe haven like concept at most places.

So, from a practical point of view, overzealous tyrants of different levels (an entire state, or a lone border police officer) will be the bigger issue, though for fewer people, or for more specific situations.

TL;DR.

I’m familiar with the document, but … which part do you mean? From my understanding, I found those things both related and significant, so I still don’t agree with you.

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But they couldn’t actually prove that such data was on the computer, right?

I totally flubbed there. Excuse me.

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The point is that, in plenty of situations, they simply don’t need proof. If I recall correctly, you travel a lot, so you must know that one has barely any rights at a border crossing, and anything that can may well be brought up against you, depending on the goodwill of the person who you happen to run into.

Yes you did. I seldom grant these but you’re forgiven. :slight_smile: (kidding) alls good.

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So, you’re right. They can take your machine and searchthe hell out of it, but if maidsafe is working properly, then there isn’t any cleartext data on it to begin with. About the tyranny of borders, bingo, yes, you got it.

It’s surely getting worse, too. I’m supposed to go to the US for christmas this year. I’ve been debating weather or not to bring my phone with me. I haven’t been there in three years.

Oh, and just for the record, I don’t do anything illegal. I haven’t done anything(seriously) illegal in the past, either. It’s just that people in my line of work (cryptocurrency, computer security, networking) seem to have all these “really wierd” things that keep happening to them at US borders. I guess that if something “reallywierd” does occur, it’ll just be my last visit home until home somehow breaks free of the idiot death grip that has been strangling it.

I may be an outlier, but everyone is to some degree or another, and no one should have to worry about stopping home for Christmas to see their family.

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No. The network put the files shards on your disk at your behest - you allowed the network to do this. No other person stored files on your disk – it is a network operation that you allowed … You stored the files on your disk, much like downloading any data and storing it on your disk. No one else is responsible.

OK thats good, as long as those illegal things you do are not serious. They really dont count. Oh, btw, dont mention any of this to the border guy? OK? Just keep it between us 3,000 users. (kidding)

Dont worry, bring your phone, have some fun with the family. You’ll be fine.

I think the point was that the chunks being a collection of maybe 8GB of encrypted data in one directory is what the boarder authorities will want an explanation of. And may seize the laptop when the person cannot tell them.

That is the reason for wanting the vault to be able to remove all the chunks from the disk. (ie delete the chunk files)

In fact the vault software is probably OK and not be an issue. Whereas the huge group of encrypted/binary files in one directory is an issue.

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Yes, I was meaning the uninstaller would clear dirs anyway then re-install should also be painless. Probably need to think more though as with node age you would lose all rank doing that. Clearing the chunkstore would also lose your rank as well though.

I do wonder what could be done with undecipherable chunks though, that would cause you a problem. If it was an issue perhaps a SAFE tool would be one that cleared all tmp and cache locations on any machine. So not only SAFE vaults chunks but also all browser cache and any temp files from any other software?

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