I say again that it’s not a problem, I’ll move my nodes to bigger hard drives long before they start to fill up.
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I personally am not obsessed by the money aspects or feeling hurt. I just couldn’t see how ANT earned by storing records could ever approach what is earned by running nodes.
That’s been partly addressed by @DavidMc0 pointing out that Rewards will scale exponentially as the network fills.
I’m worried that emissions just incentivise there being lots of fragile nodes and the thing that should be more important - storing data and making it available - is not incentivised enough.
I need to spreadsheet all this. Clearly some people have already but from the point of view of maximising return and not caring about the health of the network by running paper thin nodes.
I think the under-provisioning of nodes in terms of storage and network bandwidth will provide a downward pressure on the number of nodes as uploads and downloads increase and they become uneconomic.
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And this is why delivering the native token is so vital.
This network is here to reward node-runners not ETH miners. Every day we go without native token, more and more of the resources of the Autonomi network are syphoned off into another ecosystem.
I am NOT saying the ERC-20 token is a BadThing, I recognise why it was and is needed. Its like me carrying a set of heavy jump leads about in the car, necessary to get started smetimes but dead weight and a drain on mpg 99.9% of the time.
Especially my jump leads, 10m long and made of 50mmsq copper welding cable. These are homemade and would likely cost me £3-400 if I hadnt stolen the cable several decades ago 
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I’m sure you will. But not everyone has the foresight and dedication you exhibit!
I’ll say again that it could well be a problem. If half of the current 50 million nodes are on machines with 1,000 nodes on them and there is only a 1TB drive attached for the record store that’s only 1GB each. There will be mass node shutdowns - either scheduled or crashes. Much churn at best and possibly a cascading crash. And if the machine has just a 1Gb/s connection they could be overloaded and swamped before that as well when activity picks up. There would be much shunning.
The best we can hope for is any variability in storage allocation, network bandwidth for servers and numbers of nodes on servers is such that the shutdowns are somewhat staggered. But it will not be pretty and could be disasterous.
I’m always grateful that I can learn from you about the perspective on viewing complex natural system. Is there any place where I can see the ant complex systems theory you presented? Thank you, as always. I’m incredibly fascinated and curious about how error‑tolerant natural(maybe looks chaotic) systems operate and how you analyzed them.
Although I don’t have a way to contribute to creating algorithms that produce a sustainable network structure — like in an ant colony, where each ant’s behavior is simple but the collective yields a resilient system — I will always support the work team do.
I’m very pleased to see that the entire team appears to be so focused on a single goal.
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But, the way you’re running your nodes, you can’t move them, only reset them and start new nodes.
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How does this work exactly, @chriso? I don’t see any parameter I can give antnode that would allow for a ant_evm value.
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Try setting the environment variable first then issue your antctl command
ANT_LOG=ant_evm=info antctl add etc etc
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I’m starting antnodes without antctl. Isn’t it possible directly with an antnode parameter or something?
Hey @Mightyfool
How much storage are you planning to put behind these nodes?
How many nodes are you running already?
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I got 3 servers: 80TB ssd one server 1, 60TB on HDD SAS on the other and 8 TB nvme on the third which is more of a testing device.
I like transparacy so I’m going to be completely honest with you here: 550.000 in the cloud, 0 from home. I’m trying to resolve the issues I’m having with my home nodes but I cannot get any further without either community help or a team member looking at it.
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550k nodes on a total of 140 TB?
Thats well under 300 MB per node.
You are the reason this network is dysfunctional.
Why should you expect any help to continue effing up the project?
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If we believe maidsafes numbers @Mightyfool is just running ~1% of the network 
And he most certainly updated his nodes after each release
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antnode --version v0.7.0
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THat excuses eff-all.
“I’m sorry about the tax evasion, m’lud, but it was only about 1% of the total tax avoided this year”
The node code and bugs are the issue - not people active in this forum…
There’s no reason and point in attacking each other…
The network needs to withstand real attacks - and if it doesn’t do it it shouldn’t have launched 
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Well thats another story entirely.
@MightyFool is NOT helping by his under provisioning of nodes.
How are you starting nodes then? This will dictate how you change the setting.
And him doing it or not doesn’t change that others are taking the opportunity - if you want to blame someone or something go for the node Software or the E-thing
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Gotta agree, if users are doing anything that the network alows and it doesn’t boot them we can’t blame the user.
Also 
to Might for being honest. Everyone who cares about success should be honest about what they are doing whether that is perceived good or bad.
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