I agree and as @Traktion points out forking can even be desirable for more risky experiments can then rolled back into the Safe Network if they pan out. I would not call ERC-20/721 type functionality built into Safe core a gimmick though - it has a pretty clear use case - MaidSafeCoin as one example. Hopefully it is considered after MVP and/or allowed for in the design of Safecoin data type structures (if it even passes a feasibility study - may be hard to implement efficiently on the Safe Network without an unacceptable trade off).
So two different things are being discussed here, the coin as in the thread title, and the network itself.
Reaching a critical adoption quickly and hopefully universally as far as possible is the important thing I think. Itâs like the common anology of building a moat so people canât just take the idea and tech and build as competing one. I think @happybeing you mean maid is a Scottish charity foundation that owns the patents etc thatâs great, so less likely opportunists could rip the network and then employ very targeted and in theory far superior hype/advertising to get the initial adoption rate to some kind of critical mass?
For the coin as @Traktion points out maybe could be a good thing!
Sorry for my level of ignorance but could the multitude of Blockchain based coins with bitcoin at the vanguard not carry over onto the network or specifically are people thinking -superior?- non Blockchain based fork things solely made to propose from the safe coin be the most likely?
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Yes, I think this.
Once the SAFE network or similar exists and is widely used, nobody (or way less people, at least) will want to pay transaction fees or wait for transactions to âsettle,â or have default public transactions by using the old-gen cryptos (blockchain such as BTC ETH etc), and Iâm supposing that over time, mostly all new crypto activity and new coins will start being new âdata typesâ or whatever, on the main SAFE network (whichever one has gained the largest network effect through its economic configuration).
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I was wondering about that (and wanted to agree that the value of a fork is not only in security but also in the data it holds). But is it true?
Due to lack of understanding of SafeNetwork, I have questions such as: What happens to chunks if say 50% of Elder nodes in a section decide to use a fork of the vault software version? Will some chunks move over to the forked network and get lost from the original network? Due to lack of synchronization (and concept of time), is forking even possible?
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Youâre thinking about porting 1 section, but you have to fork all sections if you want all the data and not only the data chunks from a certain section.
That doesnât mean that forks wonât happen, certainly in the beginning when there are still a lot of things to test/mature and not a lot of data on the network.
But on the other hand in the beginning potential cloners probably lack the needed experience with the code and the concepts.
Why not stopping publishing all the source code from now until launch + 1 year for instance?
It will give us some time to fill the network with a lot of data and use cases 
I now realize that there are two kinds of forks:
- In-place upgrades of vaults, like forks in blockchains.
- Git repo kind of forks, starting a network from scratch with no data.
I was only thinking about the first. (The first kind could perhaps be prevented if maidsafe held on to some secret key that controlled upgrades for some time.)
The second, however, seems harder to prevent. Would people with most content / deepest pockets win that kind of safenetwork clone war? Or would that be preventable using Maidsafeâs patents?
- Have you seen this topic: Step-by-step: the road to Fleming, 5: Network upgrades? For me a fork also means a split in 2 separate networks, not just an upgrade.
- You want to have the possibility for a âfrom scratchâ-fork if needed. I think of OpenOffice â LibreOffice or MySql and MariaDb.
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The thing that will win the fork wars is providing the best network. âBestâ is a bit subjective, so thatâs why there is always room for competition. To become the dominant fork once a network has established some critical mass there are network effects to overcome. This is partly where first mover advantage comes into play. For example, Bitcoin is still king despite many alt coins claiming to be superior on technicals.
why not make a federated way of forks to talk to each other? a standardized way of two networks to talk to each other and all data fro one network to be able to be shown to the other network? like the one network would have safe:// for browsing and another network would have example:// so in the second network if you type safe:// you can browse the first network?
so then people would be able to make their own versions of networks,
just like matrix chat and fedevierse works!
maybe I should make a new post about it? what do you say?
Is there any real users in blockchain field ? Almost of them are investors not users.
Because it is really terribly hard to make a business on blockchain.
But maid is totally different. I am sure if safenet will be launching as expected. Numerous business arise on maid safe.
P.S. Blockchain is data structure and Maidsafe is decentralized network protocol. So, maid dont need to follow other blockchain projectâs strategy. Maid and blockchain are totally different layer.
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If I understand correctly some things, I would say some enterprises or organisationâs or countries would make their own âprivateâ network maybe a bit altered fork for special perpose so a country or an organization can have its own vaults saving their own data decentralized and secure from data corruption and even safe from malicious 3rd parties that try to poke into their network.
But then again if safe network is safe wouldnât it be just easier for an organization to make a set of apps that uses the original safe network to store their data that only them have access from their apps?
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