AutoTube - Stream and enjoy decentralized videos instantly

I think you should look into the difference of how Autonomi network is set up, compared to a Google etc service which physically holds the content themselves.

The only thing one could maybe say is that the Autonomi app could proactively block the viewability of certain content, which is extra, manual work but possible. But the content itself is self-enceypted across multiple continents that has nothing to do with the app provider.

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Nah should be fine, everything I publish has no copyright to it. I’m not liable for what people upload.

Just like a company selling carrots can’t be liable if someone uses one to assault someone.

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I am very familiar with how Autonomi works, I am also familiar with people going to prison for social media posts.

If you think the risk is zero, it is not me who needs to research :rofl:

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Nothing in this world has ā€œzeroā€ risk, especially being alive. Living has an exceptionally high dangerous ā€œriskā€ of extreme dangers including death, but the network is set up in a completely different way. Plausible deniability here is replaced by actual, physical, provable deniability

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They can request endpoint hosters to take down content, at which point the content they wish to be removed could be added to a blocklist on the server running that specific endpoint.

However the content cannot be blocked on the network, and users can still download using a local client, including using AutoTube locally.

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Right, so law enforcement etc ends up back at square one, going after the actual criminals. Because all these apps can be replaced by each other quickly, since the data itself lives on the distributed network, so the only ones who own bad data are the criminals themselves.

But responsible apps could definitely, proactively have filtering to some extent. But it’s still an involved engineering task.

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Generally it’s who hosts a site is deemed as the owner. There are thousands of wordpress sites online, and it’s not the creator of wordpress that is deemed the owner, it’s whoever hosts it.

So I guess the endpoint servers will eventually need blocklists via anttp (which I’m sure @Traktion is working on :slight_smile: ) and then if you wanted to go deeper, the specific nodes hosting those chunks (including duplicated ones), and if you somehow manage to find out which ones they are, and manage to shut them down, the chunks just get replicated throughout the network.

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I think Josh means that the app can share videos or music publicly that the person sharing them does not have the copyright to. Am I right, @Josh?

I think that @safemedia (as his nickname suggests :wink:) does not need to worry about responsibility for what someone publishes in the application. The greatness of Autonomi lies in the fact that the application developer does not require the creation of accounts or administer them, but only provides a tool – in this case, a streaming service — which means that it has no influence on who uses the application and what content they post there, unlike centralised services operating in the current clearnet. Therefore, it is not liable; it is sufficient to include an appropriate copyright notice for users.

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As far as I understand, there is no publishing in the application. The app is just a reader that you load into the browser and you have to point it to a file with video clip addresses. That’s why it seemed absurd to me to ask who is responsible.


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It’s not absurd to think that some authority or copyright owner will at the very least pursue a site owner that allows distributed data to be found and viewed.

Also if anyone who posted here or Discord thinks they are anonymous :sweat_smile:

Anyway was not trying to upset the peace
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Nice app. :grin:

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But the reader doesn’t have a search engine. The search is in the file that you loaded into the reader. The person who uploaded the file is responsible, not the reader itself. There’s no way to know what file will be loaded into the reader.


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Pls how can I use AutoTube locally? is there some simple download and install tutorial?

What about having a link at the bottom of each Autonomi web app, saying → ā€œHere’s how to run the App locally and interact with the network directlyā€.

@Dimitar tells repeatedly there are two basic approaches of how to use Autonomi:

  1. Via Portals like Antnest
  2. Directly

So it would be cool to link to each other in those apps directly. On a portal-like app, have a link on how to use the app locally, and on the local app have a link on how to use the app via portals.

That will gradually bring people to direct usage which is the ultimate goal, isn’t it?

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This all comes back to the separation of app and data.

You have a link to an app, then a link to what data it consumes.

It’s very much like how you would consider a desktop app, working with files on your disk.

Much like opening VLC, then asking it to load a video, or Word and asking it to load a document.

With AntTP running locally, running AutoTube is just like VLC or Word. It just happens to run in a browser.

However, gateway servers will probably need to allow filters to be applied. The hosts may be seen as facilitating illegal behaviour or some such. For that purpose, block/allow filters are coming to AntTP soon. For those who don’t want to be blocked, they should run AntTP locally instead.

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Fair enough, I have only viewed this on my phone and made the assumption that it was possible to share content within the app. In this case it is better than I thought, especially for Cobite :laughing:

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THose who regard depreciation as being for other people and who shop at the <Ā£1k section of Gumtree.

I have a motorway cruiser that goes past eejits who pay more in 2 months finance than I do for my whole car :rofl:

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Yes, as noted above, I was thinking that in app sharing would be possible. As a ā€œviewerā€ I can see the point of no liability.

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I think where it would get interesting legally, would be:

  1. uploading videos without permission of the owner
  2. sharing of video addresses of the above
  3. sharing playlists of video addresses of the above

I’m sure the buck will stop somewhere… maybe there is precedence in the pirating world? I don’t know.

A curious difference with Autonomi is the lack of a single ā€˜host’ to pick on, legally speaking. The network is distributed, self organising, self healing, and owned by no one. So who gets to be hit with the stick and how many blows will land?

If they start going after software devs, then that also gets interesting. No one goes after Nginx, Tomcat, Actix, etc, for providing HTTP access to data. No one goes after Microsoft for providing Windows to play the videos. Who becomes the party at fault? They will have fun picking that one apart!

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I’ll refer them to the creator of anttp since that’s the underlying tech :wink:

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Or the owner of antsnest :wink:

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I’ll refer them to Actix, the framework used, and Rust team who enabled them, along with Google who executed the code in my browser… etc, etc… :rofl:

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